Tommy, scotts last post up above has SP Black Widow on the very top and Santa Fe Warbonnet on the very bottom
Matt Makens posted:Its both Jon, good news for the train guy in you knowing that Scott is offering a superior model to Atlas and bad news for that cheapskate in you knowing that you ll have to pay for them
Correct on both accounts, Matt. It's a love/hate thing. I love Scott, my wallet hates him. I just wish Scott would stop coming up with stuff my wallet hates.
Mill City posted:Matt Makens posted:Its both Jon, good news for the train guy in you knowing that Scott is offering a superior model to Atlas and bad news for that cheapskate in you knowing that you ll have to pay for them
Correct on both accounts, Matt. It's a love/hate thing. I love Scott, my wallet hates him. I just wish Scott would stop coming up with stuff my wallet hates.
I love it, I feel the same way. I wish Scott with try again on the NYC H10 Mikado. I'm ready to put my money where my mouth is on that one. Diecast is ok, Brass is great.
Good luck on the second run though.
An ABBA Warbonnet Set sure would look nice for my El Capitan ....... ahh temptation.
Thanks Matt
You have answered my question. Was the WB or BW assigned to either freight or pass. service? I'm looking for a ABBA to pull the El Captain.
( If I'm still on the list).
Tommy
Tommy,
Warbonnet F7s pulled all the passenger trains. The 200 series blue and yellow units were geared for freight. Later, the U28CG, the U30CG and ultimately the FP45 pulled the El Capitan prior to Amtrak.
Hope that helps!
thebeeman posted:Thanks Matt
You have answered my question. Was the WB or BW assigned to either freight or pass. service? I'm looking for a ABBA to pull the El Captain.
( If I'm still on the list).
Tommy
Well, you are sort of trying to compare apples and oranges. To be more clear the "WB" is the Santa Fe "War Bonnet" , which was designed for and used for pulling passenger trains. The Santa Fe blue and yellow diesels were for freight.
Now, the "BW", or "Black Widow" styling is for a completely different railroad, i.e. the Southern Pacific, and that styling for primarily for freight service.
War Bonnet F7s pulled the El Capitan
RDUNN, Thank you very much for the reply/update!
Hey Guys, I'm a happy camper. Talked to GGD yesterday (Fri) and we're in for the El Capitan plus a couple of add on. While on the phone I ordered the Santa Fe F7 set ABBA all powered to pull the El Capitan. I know I'm gonna luv it.
Most important, I need to thank each and everyone of you for your time and effort helping me get to the best of the next level.
My best regards to all of you.
Tommy
PS> (Whew!! Thank God I do not have a mortgage payment)
Did someone say FP45? 
The 1st run:
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I am SO dead. I will now order from Scott to get a set of SF Warbonnet F7's, a set of SF freight color and, of course, I have to get the demo. I will have to go back to work. Any sympathy for me?
Didn't think so.
Tommy welcome to the next level of trains
Scrapiron Scher posted:I am SO dead. I will now order from Scott to get a set of SF Warbonnet F7's, a set of SF freight color and, of course, I have to get the demo. I will have to go back to work. Any sympathy for me?
Didn't think so.
I feel your pain. But then again, you'll find relief in the trains.
Sent this note to Scott Mann on the second run of F7s.
“Any chance you could do a F7 in Western Pacific, I like to get a
A-B-A set in 2 rail.”
This was the answer I got back.
“Let me put you in for that and I will see if we get more. I have a
few from the last run but it wasn't enough to go into production.”
Scott
Anyone interested in Western Pacific F7 on or off the list contact Scott, let him know that you are interested, maybe he will get enough to reach him number.
Ken
Added C&O, WP and asking Mercer about B&LE.
Oh Scott, youre so great!!!!
Mill City posted:Oh Scott, youre so great!!!!
Jon, that's a little straight forward don't you think
Can someone please post a picture of the Demo units?
Thanks,
Ed
Here you go, courtesy of American Rails .com
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Matt Makens posted:Mill City posted:Oh Scott, youre so great!!!!
Jon, that's a little straight forward don't you think
Cute.
Note to self: Log out before Matt comes over.
I should've posted on Elliot's layout post about how much you miss him
Matt Makens posted:I should've posted on Elliot's layout post about how much you miss him
Or maybe you are trying to start a bromance with Scott
While some of you are bromancing I think I'll pass on the F7s. Bessemer set ABBA will cost over $2400.00 and most likely be a disappointment like their SD9s. Missing steps, wrong snow cone looking bell and cab doors not painted. I'll wait for Atlas.
Matt Makens posted:War Bonnet F7s pulled the El Capitan
Hi Matt,
Didn't F3s also pull the El Cap?? I have an F3 ABBBA from Lionel (powered A & 2 powered B) I'm hoping that should do the trick.. please don't tell me I have to now buy F7s to be accurate!!
Thanks for the info...
By the time the El Cap was built F7s pulled it. Sorry?
Bessemer643 posted:While some of you are bromancing I think I'll pass on the F7s. Bessemer set ABBA will cost over $2400.00 and most likely be a disappointment like their SD9s. Missing steps, wrong snow cone looking bell and cab doors not painted. I'll wait for Atlas.
No manufacturer has yet to produce a perfect locomotive and as much as I wish they would for what they charge, it will never happen. As a result, I'll take a single motor drive over a twin motor drive any day of the week. Possibly the only exception would be an articulated steam engine.
Opinion.
I have photos of the El Cap being pulled by Alco PAs so anything is possible plus in the off season you never know what motive power you might see
Matt Makens posted:I have photos of the El Cap being pulled by Alco PAs so anything is possible plus in the off season you never know what motive power you might see
That's true but, didn't the El Cap come into service AFTER the very early FT/F3 War Bonnet units were removed from passenger service?
I'm not sure, a quick look at Wikipedia gives the indication that they did use the F3s but we all know how credible Wikipedia can be. I think my dad has a bunch of Santa Fe books it's that info so I'll have to see. I'm scanning his California pictures from 1967 right now and I'm only SP territory in northern CA with a boat load of Alco shots and diesel hydraulics. When I get to the LA area I'll have many more SF pics and if I see any F3s I'll let you know
Ok, so the Hi-Level cars came in 56 and looking at photos of F3's they were still pulling passenger trains in the mid 1960's so my guess would be it might not be out of the realm of possibility that they would use F3s to pull the El cap somewhere along the line. But if F3s didn't have the guts to pull the California Zephyr thru the mountains would they have the guts to pull the El Capitan?
Matt Makens posted:Ok, so the Hi-Level cars came in 56 and looking at photos of F3's they were still pulling passenger trains in the mid 1960's so my guess would be it might not be out of the realm of possibility that they would use F3s to pull the El cap somewhere along the line. But if F3s didn't have the guts to pull the California Zephyr thru the mountains would they have the guts to pull the El Capitan?
I'm guessing the F3's did have the guts to pull the CZ. WP and DWRG bout used them.
Ive got some zephyr books that ill look in to get the facts correct but it was my understanding that the gearing of the F3's wasn't right for the fast acceleration required of the passenger trainor something to that effect but all three railroads did use the F3's on the zephyr.
As far as I'm concerned, it did! 
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Picture worth a thousand words, F3's pulling the El Capitan.
These are great looking models. The NH didn't have any or these F units so I won't be ordering them. I have two sets of 3rd Rail FL9s which were unique to the NH railroad and other North East commuter lines. They are great models. I have the 3 rail version.
I see that all the layout photos of these units are 3-rail. I am wondering if any of the 2-rail guys have layouts and are running these units. It would be fun to see your layout photos.
NH Joe
Matt Makens posted:Ive got some zephyr books that ill look in to get the facts correct but it was my understanding that the gearing of the F3's wasn't right for the fast acceleration required of the passenger trainor something to that effect but all three railroads did use the F3's on the zephyr.
Matt,
All three railroads, i.e. the CB&Q, the D&RGW, and the WP originally planned for, and each ordered, EMD F3 units to be "Run Through" power for the CZ. Once the CB&Q discovered that neither of the other two railroads would be "Running Through" their sets of F3 units, the CB&Q quickly ordered E7A units from EMD. As soon as the CB&Q received their new E7A units, those passenger F3 A-B-A units were replaced on the CZ (well within the very first year of operation), referred and assigned to freight service.
The CB&Q was a much faster railroad than both the D&RGW and WP, plus the CB&Q had no mountain grades to contend with, thus they used the faster "E Units" on pretty much all the various passenger trains.
