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I have been searching the forums for about an hr found nothing that fits this found a lot about chuffing smoke units but. I have a f3 that has a cruise commander in it I want to add a smoke unit the smoke units (lionel ) has 3 wire plug 2 outter wires are red center is black to make it work with the cruise commander do I tie both reds together on the smoke output for the cruise commander. then black to chassis ground ??

 

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Picture of smoke unit would help; but typically the answer is yes.  On lionels basic fan smoke unit, they had a solder trace you could remove to allow independent AC input to the DC Fan motor circuit.  Hence the 2 red or brown AC inputs.  The rest of the circuit uses a common ground so just one black wire, plus the body of the smoke unit also acts like a ground.  IF that trace is bridged you only really need one red.  When smoke unit gets power so does the fan circuit.  G

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Jhainer posted:

I have been searching the forums for about an hr found nothing that fits this found a lot about chuffing smoke units but. I have a f3 that has a cruise commander in it I want to add a smoke unit the smoke units (lionel ) has 3 wire plug 2 outter wires are red center is black to make it work with the cruise commander do I tie both reds together on the smoke output for the cruise commander. then black to chassis ground ??

 

Unfortunately, I cannot help but I'm curious which F3 you installed the cruise commander and now want to add a smoke unit.

I have a Conventional Classics set that I'd like to upgrade.

Mike

6308031200 is the smoke unit and picked up the 8104566201 smoke funnel both are for a lionel tmcc f3 Alaska to be exact on where I found the parts ordered them from lionel and they came in yesterday.  the engine I am trying to put it in is a Williams f3 Santa fe yellow bonnet. I upgraded it to tmcc the day I got it a year or so ago.  Then last week added the rail sounds, and now going to try to add the smoke unit I bought the unit just for this conversion. I'm also thinking of doing a fixed pilot on it with a kadee in the front.  it's the yellow bonnet to the left I have ABBA  the other is a rail king ps 2.0 version

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Just change you element to 22 to 27 ohm and your good.  Like I said, the first 2 pins from the right are AC center rail. One for Heater and one for smoke fan DC circuit.  IF you check continuity on those 2 pins without harness and it reads 0 ohms, you only need one of the wires to go to the ERR board hot.  The black to common.   G

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