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I was in my local hobby shop today looking for some retrofit trucks.  My hobby shop owner has a lot of stuff on consignment he was trying to sell to me.  My response to most was:  "it's not scale", "the sprung trucks as faux"; "the trucks are plastic"; "it has a plain bottom"; "there are no separately applied details"; etc., etc.  He finally said, Bob, five years ago you started out with toy trains, and now you are a rivet counter.  I don't know enough about real trains to be a rivet counter, but guess I have learned to recognize quality.  But, learning anything new is as expensive as a college education.  Anyone else have that experience?

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It's a perilous (at least to the pocketbook!) and probably inevitable slide but, hey, you've got the right to be as picky as you want (or can afford)! It's kind of interesting--some proclivities seem to be darn near innate, others more cultivated. You can always apply a course correction if you seem to think you've gone to far.

 

I would say you needn't cough up a college tuition's worth of dough to learn anything new, though. I think you can fill up several lifetimes worth of learning for next to nuthin'.

I look at it as a trade off. Many HO scale locos have detail that put almost all O scale to shame.....and are cheaper. My Broadway Limited PRR T1 loco was $150 and is much more detailed than my scale or Lion Master T1.

BUT.....it's a trade off. The HO loco while pretty is very picky on track....how clean and perfect. My O scalers.....they will run over 1/2 inch gaps!

And the heft of O is great to me.

If you want to count rivets HO is better for the money......run good looking trains with few issues....O 3r. Thats the trade off I accept.

Funny, I've gotten a bit more forgiving. Oh, I'm still a rivet -estimator- when the time

comes, and can be very picky about certain equipment (a NYC Hudson needs to be

pretty much accurate - more accurately, must NOT be IN-accurate; but, a USRA Pacific needs to be good, but not necessarily road-specific). I can be critical, too. I think

that the usually very pricey Vision ATSF 2-10-10-2, though impressive, is poorly

detailed for anything in it's price range. It just looks like the biggest Railking loco

that I've ever seen, when inspected. If it were $750 on blowout, OK. 

 

"Quality" to me has an overriding meaning: robust in its construction. There are many

very detailed items (Atlas has done this a lot) that I consider "low quality" because

they break if you sneeze near them. I pretty much quit buying them because of that.

 

So why do I like, for example, the RMT Alco S-4 Marxist Bang? Why do I gravitate toward Marx, sometimes, and find my RK Imperial Triplex so good that I feel no need to buy the Premier version? I spent so much of the last 25 Hi-Railing years trying to avoid the really gross aspects of 3-rail "toy trains" that I began to miss (some of) the "toys" that were also pretty good at emulating, if not modeling, the real thing. And bringing back memories, sure.

 

Plus, some days you want steak, and others you just want a good peanut butter sandwich.

 

But that RMT Bang may get a Cruise Commander yet.

 

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I blame this great forum. I started out with simple semi scale tastes. Then found out about scale PS2 and PS3 and needed scale rolling stock to go with those. Then one day I found out about Lionel Vision line rolling stock. Wow. One of the great appeals of the hobby is detail at 1:43 scale. The more the better.

You have every right to be as picky as you want.  I'm not rivet counter (and probably neither are you) but there are things I want - scale, good detail, etc.  

 

Your store owner is just trying to sell what he wants to sell. You can't blame him - that's what he does.  Still, hold out for what your want.  Your money, your railroad, etc., etc., etc.

The problem with this hobby is that people who demand value for their money are often labelled as rivet counters. 

 

Lionel and others often want you to fork over big bucks for inaccurate models that they could make more accurate if they wanted to.  But they seem to argue that fit and finish alone warrant $479 for a plastic diesel.

 

You are far from a rivet counter.  Just a savvy consumer.

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Originally Posted by C W Burfle:

I would not use the word "picky", I think "selective" is a better word.

While my interests differ from yours, I don't see anything wrong with them.

I woud agree with C.W. that maybe "selective" is a better word.  

 

Many of us come into the hobby and get overwhelmed with what we see.  Sometimes, I think we buy things on impulse. Then, over time, many of us find one or two niches within the hobby that we tend to focus on.  Could be scale, or could be another niche like pre-war, post-war, tradition, semi-scale, of maybe something else. 

 

My personal journey over the last 17 years has been post-war, to modern traditional, modern semi-scale, to modern scale.  Even though I think I am happiest with scale, each of these step has been a fun experience.

 

Maybe its my inner nerd, but with the move to scale corresponded with an interest in learning about the two railroads that I decided to focus on.

 

Jim

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