Official York Attendance in Oct. now up.

Naw, pass the popcorn, please!!!!!  We don't need censorship on the most popular thread on here!  It will die its own, natural, organic death once it no longer is.  Can you start the trend?

Maybe you didn't see this.

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Contrariwise, if it was so, it might be; and if it were so, it would be; but as it isn't, it ain't. That's logic.
Lewis Carroll

Very good!

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Naw, pass the popcorn, please!!!!!  We don't need censorship on the most popular thread on here!  It will die its own, natural, organic death once it no longer is.  Can you start the trend?

Can you make a meaningful post?

That is, something other than a quote?

A million quotes praising change will not convince me that change for the worse is somehow a good thing.

Andy

 All change is not growth, as all movement is not forward. ~Ellen Glasgow

"It's like an American tradition. A person gets successful and then he's supposed to change for the worse. It's silly." -- Barbara Streisand

I guess this applies to train meets as well.

Andy

Some posters have already ASSUMED that you're a member simply to get into the York meet, that's all.

Your operative word here is "assumed", and like much of your text, it is completely wrong in my humble opinion. You don't know me very well because if you did, you would have never made such a ridiculous statement. Those who do know me are aware that I support the TCA at every opportunity. And you sir, do you support the TCA? You never did answer my question as to whether you hold a current TCA membership, did you. Perhaps you can answer this question with another famous quote. 

Do your comments here bother me, not really, I look at them as more of an entertainment value as they are serving no other purpose (at least to me).

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A million quotes praising change will not convince me that change for the worse is somehow a good thing.

 

Andy

Its easy to find quotes embracing change. Just a couple of seconds with a search engine.

"We are products of our past, but we don't have to be prisoners of it."--Rick Warren (From the Purpose Driven Life)

--particularly when one assumes that change will be worse....

Live, just live for life. - Francis Lai

So since you have decided to "reject reality and substitute your own." there is a quote for you. If it can be done why don't you find out the proper avenues to make the York meet become a public show and submit them to the Eastern Division. 

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--particularly when one assumes that change will be worse....

Some of us have life experiences, which we use to predict outcomes.

I might just try that..it's better than arranging the deck chairs on a sinking Titanic.

Back to the subject of attendance, if you factor in the death rate of TCA members since 2007, I think you'll get a handle on why there's been a drop in attendance.

As for opening the show to the public, IMHO that is already happened. All they need to do is to join the TCA at the registration desk. If you can't afford to pay at the door there's little chance you'll be able to afford anything once you walk through the door. In that event, you're likely at the wrong place anyway.

And last, but not least;  I think it's an invalid bad assumption that there are people being "shut-out" from this meet.

Gilly

BTW, that's a great Adam Savage quote..."I reject your reality and substitute my own".

Thanks Gilly

Not much of a problem making the event public to increase attendance...might be a problem convincing others to give up their sacred cow of tax exempt status to achieve it.  Depends on what's important to you: personal self interest in keeping things as they are or trying to enhance the hobby generally for future growth...

"Courage is a decision you make to act in a way that works through your own fear for the greater good as opposed to pure self-interest.  Courage means putting at risk your immediate self-interest for what you believe is right."--Derrick A. Bell (from Ethical Ambition: Living a Life of Meaning and Worth.)

The idea is to get the people interested in trains and model railroading BEFORE they join.  I doubt that there were many who ever joined the TCA and then subsequently became interested in trains.  If you are trying to stimulate interest, you've got to invite them in, not put-up roadblocks to keep them out.  Asking someone to pay membership fees and admission fees just to see what York is about isn't going to happen (that IS "reality").  Don't you see, shutting out the public unless they fork out membership and entrance fees is not going to encourage attendance or stimulate interest in trains--unless, of course, you want to create a country club atmosphere.

Maybe we like our Country Club Atmosphere, I do usually raise my pinky when drinking beverages at the York meet

Hey, gang--I gotta go.  I've wasted nearly a whole day of fun on here and my popcorn is gone.  Have a pleasant day...  Maybe we can carry on this conversation at the Spring meet.  In the meantime, keep your tracks shiny and bright.

You are arguing under a false premise. You are saying that if the Eastern Division scraps its agreement with PA tax officials. Then informs all its members that the buyers will have to pay sales tax and the sellers will have collect sales tax. By the way any change like this would require a vote of the existing members. How would expect them to vote?

Do you honestly believe that attendance will increase under these new rules.

Pete

"I might just try that..it's better than arranging the deck chairs on a sinking Titanic."

You're not even on the ship!

I am interested.

The Eastern Division  just posted the final breakdown of the totals.

8011 members registered.

3147 Spouses attended.

  698 Children attended

  499 Guests.

Of the 499 guest that attended 55 joined the TCA.  Not bad 11% of the guest joined.  3845 attended with out charge as the policy is not to charge spouses and children.  Now we all know.  One thing they didn't post was how many members dropped their membership.

Say goodnight, Gracie.