J Daddy posted:I surmise that emails may be to slow. Maybe better to text someone the details.
For those unfamiliar with how to send a text message to someone's email address, here are two links explaining how to do it:
Dave45681 posted:Rocky Mountaineer posted:Yes... I realize that, but then we also need to upload the photos again.
It's one thing to just copy-and-paste a paragraph... but things get more time-consuming when you're formatting a post nicely with photos and such. And then to do that all over again for selective items is an unnecessary side-effect of the no-replies policy. Fortunately, it's not something that needs to be done often.
David
I could be mistaken, but I think I tried that a few York meets ago when I was in a similar situation. I wanted to resurrect an older post, but it had been locked just due to the time on the post expiring.
Have you tried just highlighting the whole post and pasting it into a new thread? Even though it's non-intuitive, I think th epics may transfer without going through the whole upload dance again.
-Dave
Dave,
Thanks for that tip. I will try it and see what happens when I create my next "virtual bandit meet" for-sale listing. 
There are a few goodies left over from the old one, so I'll see if the photos (and design layout) copy over with the text.
David
I only used it once. I bought a locomotive. The outcome was good.
JDFonz posted:So just to get this straight, in order to buy things you just contact the seller directly by email then, not any communication on the posting?
That's the way I always have done it, unless sellers did not disclose email addresses in the listings or in their profiles. Otherwise, you're taking a chance they are following the thread.
What, me worry?
breezinup posted:RonH posted:The "For Sale/Trade" post is the section that I look at first.
Never had a problem, great items.....You wouldn't be quite so enthusiastic if you'd bought things on the Forum from some of the people that I've dealt with over the years. I've had a number of items with issues that sellers tried to sell me. Overall the Forum's good, but it's not trouble-free.
I agree with that completely. While I don't think many of the forum members are crooked, there are some who are just not aware of the problems with the things they sell.
JDFonz posted:So just to get this straight, in order to buy things you just contact the seller directly by email then, not any communication on the posting?
YES!!!
That's how it was supposed to work from day one.
Dave45681Have you tried just highlighting the whole post and pasting it into a new thread? Even though it's non-intuitive, I think th epics may transfer without going through the whole upload dance again.
-Dave
how do you highlight the post and paste it in a new thread ? when it comes to being computer smart- i fail miserably....
Jim Berger posted:how do you highlight the post and paste it in a new thread ? when it comes to being computer smart- i fail miserably....
For this purpose, since it must be your own, start by editing(or viewing) your original post. (I suspect it may not work when just viewing a post, but I have not tried)
Once you are in there, highlight the whole thing and copy it (control c, right mouse click --> copy, etc). I'm assuming Windows here, I can't help you if it's a Mac or other device.
Go to your new post and paste the entire thing into the content area. (control v, right mouse click --> paste, etc) You can then edit it as you could have for the original, but it's in the new thread.
Like I suggested, it's been a while since I did that, but I do remember being pleasantly surprised when all my pics transferred without having to do the upload dance again.
edit: I just tried it within this post for a way old for sale post of mine from 2013 (obviously no longer editable) and it did properly pick up the pictures when I pasted it here for a moment as a test.
-Dave
MartyE posted:J Daddy posted:MartyE posted:J Daddy posted:So to drop your price you have to repost?
Or edit both the title and the post. While the position of the post won't change, folks can see by the title that the prices were lowered.
Yes, but nobody will tab to page 8. So a repost will be the best strategy.
Most likely but then I foresee a ton of re-posts just to be on the front page. But I guess that's what you get when these things happen. Instead of bumping people will just keep re-posting. Same difference I'm afraid.
I used to list and sell quite a few items here, but pretty much stopped posting mainly due to the crazy amount of bumping (by a few members) and the back-and-forth banter that would often occur within For-Sale threads.
I felt compelled to bump my own threads just to remain visible/competitive. This sort of made me feel "dirty", so I just stopped listing!
Unfortunately, I believe Marty has it right. The "serial bumpers" will probably just keep re-posting their same old items to keep their thread at or near the top.
However, I do applaud and appreciate the effort to clean things up...and really hope that it works! Thanks, Rich.
Dave,
I just tried it within this post for a way old for sale post of mine from 2013 (obviously no longer editable) and it did properly pick up the pictures when I pasted it here for a moment as a test.
Try it again. However, this tine view the thread from someone else's computer computer. See if the pictures are still visible.
MartyE posted:Most likely but then I foresee a ton of re-posts just to be on the front page. But I guess that's what you get when these things happen. Instead of bumping people will just keep re-posting. Same difference I'm afraid.
even a new post -per-day, which was always permitted, is far better compared to what we had. some of the people on here were posting 3-4-5 times a day on the same ad.
if you repost original ads a 2nd or 3rd time,, consider a price reduction ,if your really serious about selling your train items.
No John you can't post it here so it all has to go....lol
Say Hi to those two card sharks for me.
Jim
Barry Broskowitz posted:Dave,
I just tried it within this post for a way old for sale post of mine from 2013 (obviously no longer editable) and it did properly pick up the pictures when I pasted it here for a moment as a test.
Try it again. However, this tine view the thread from someone else's computer computer. See if the pictures are still visible.
Fair enough, a good point. I can't check that quickly, but will look from home tonight.
If anyone else can see the gondola below, I pasted it from my old closed thread. If no one can see it but me, my concept is invalid and I'll delete my previous proposed solution posts.
(Begin Test)
) Lionel Standard O Gondola with Gifts from 1998 (6-19438)
Mint in Box, never run (has been examined to make sure there are no flaws - there are none).
(End Test)
-Dave
Dave,
If anyone else can see the gondola below, I pasted it from my old closed thread.
I can see it - you're good!
But now people will just delete their posts after a few days and relist unsold items then. What then is the difference? I use it either way so it doesn't matter just asking.
MONON_JIM posted:But now people will just delete their posts after a few days and relist unsold items then. What then is the difference? ....
No difference whatsoever... but they'll be playing by the rules AND there will be no way to casually "see" that it's been a relisting, since the older listing will be deleted. 
If folks would just list their items and let life take its natural course, all would be fine. If buyers are interested, they'll buy. If you don't get any nibbles, then you just face facts that you have something that isn't "desirable" by viewers at the moment.
Within reason, that's precisely why I never understood why folks would repeated drop prices to the point of absurdity. A price reduction here and there is fine. But if a buyer REALLY were interested in something listed, they could always offer the seller a lower price and negotiate that way. What am I missing here? 
David
Serial reposters can be reigned in too.
Under the new good rule, noone can throw cold water on a listing.
Rocky Mountaineer posted:Within reason, that's precisely why I never understood why folks would repeated drop prices to the point of absurdity. A price reduction here and there is fine. But if a buyer REALLY were interested in something listed, they could always offer the seller a lower price and negotiate that way. What am I missing here?
People testing the waters to see how much they can get for something with which they are willing to part in order to reduce inventory or fund another purchase? Given some have an aversion to negotiation for whatever reason, it's really like a one-sided negotiation.
What, me worry?
No difference whatsoever... but they'll be playing by the rules AND there will be no way to casually "see" that it's been a relisting, since the older listing will be deleted.
There is a big difference. We are all limited to only one post per day. Therefore the abusers will be throttled. And if it becomes apparent that some folks simply cannot be good citizens, further action will be taken.
Remember, the change was made because a number of people were unable to abide by the rules. And other people had to see how close they could come to violate the spirit of the rules without actually breaking them. What is left for Rich to tune?
C W Burfle posted:No difference whatsoever... but they'll be playing by the rules AND there will be no way to casually "see" that it's been a relisting, since the older listing will be deleted.
There is a big difference. We are all limited to only one post per day. Therefore the abusers will be throttled. And if it becomes apparent that some folks simply cannot be good citizens, further action will be taken.
Remember, the change was made because a number of people were unable to abide by the rules. And other people had to see how close they could come to violate the spirit of the rules without actually breaking them. What is left for Rich to tune?
CW, I think you're missing the point about "no difference". It's not with respect to "now with no-replies" vs. "before with replies". We're talking about somebody deleting a thread from two or three days ago, and simply re-posting it as new thread today (or whenever).
Look... people are gonna behave the way they behave. We're just saying that the "no replies" rule is no sure-fire "fix" to the bumping problem -- which was never truly a problem in the big picture of life. Just turns out the complainers made it more of an issue than the issue itself.
David
We're just saying that the "no replies" rule is no sure-fire "fix" to the bumping problem -- which was never truly a problem in the big picture of life. Just turns out the complainers made it more of an issue than the issue itself.
As opposed to the complainers who are making an issue of the rule change? Is it truly a problem in the big picture of life?
The sure-fire fix to the bumping problem is to shut down the For Sale sub-forum. You use it a lot more than I. Is that what you want?
I look at the for sale forum almost daily. It was clear that a number of people were violating the no bumping rule. I'd see one person with 4-5 separate ads on page 1. In light of the fact that OGR is providing a fee free service, taking advantage is pretty low. Nevertheless there will always be folks who believe the rules don't apply to them, only to others. This puts the moderator in a difficult position -- waste tons of time individually disciplining the violators or just make a blanket rule. Rich had no real choice but to choose the latter course.
If the result is chronic reposting by the usual suspects it wouldn't surprise me to see this forum go away. That would be truly unfortunate. I've made several very pleasant purchases from fellow forum members and enjoy just seeing what is out there for sale.
C W Burfle posted:We're just saying that the "no replies" rule is no sure-fire "fix" to the bumping problem -- which was never truly a problem in the big picture of life. Just turns out the complainers made it more of an issue than the issue itself.
As opposed to the complainers who are making an issue of the rule change? Is it truly a problem in the big picture of life?
The sure-fire fix to the bumping problem is to shut down the For Sale sub-forum. You use it a lot more than I. Is that what you want?
The real issue was some were allowed to bump and others weren't, depending on the moderators preference.
OGR Webmaster posted:Rocky Mountaineer posted:It's now impossible to ressurect an old thread to update it and then let folks know new items have been added -- as I have done from time to time with my "virtual York bandit meet" threads. Especially when we take lots of time to post nice photos of the items for sale.
Just DELETE your original post and re-post it again as a new post. Accomplishes the same thing.
Whew! I just did that and thought I might be breaking a rule. Good to know it's legal.
I am on some other forms online not train for forums and if you abuse the marketplace rules you get your post deleted and then you banned for 1 to 3 days and that is usually enough for you to get the message.
I'm not a fan of the new rule.
RickO posted:C W Burfle posted:We're just saying that the "no replies" rule is no sure-fire "fix" to the bumping problem -- which was never truly a problem in the big picture of life. Just turns out the complainers made it more of an issue than the issue itself.
As opposed to the complainers who are making an issue of the rule change? Is it truly a problem in the big picture of life?
The sure-fire fix to the bumping problem is to shut down the For Sale sub-forum. You use it a lot more than I. Is that what you want?
The real issue was some were allowed to bump and others weren't, depending on the moderators preference.
I never understood that. Some would bump by adding pictures later on, or updating descriptions.
RickO posted:The real issue was some were allowed to bump and others weren't, depending on the moderators preference.
Absolutely NOT TRUE. 
Some of you seem to think that we sit here in the OGR office and read EVERYTHING that gets posted on this forum. With the amount of traffic generated here, that is simply not possible for anyone to do. We do not "police" this forum 24/7!
The only way we knew when someone had bumped a listing was when one of you sent us an alert about it. When we got the alert, we took action and deleted the post that generated the bump. The point here is that the ONLY WAY we knew about bumps was when one of you sent us an alert about it!
That is precisely what caused this change in policy. We started getting dozens of alerts every day about bumps in the For Sale forum. As we looked deeper into it, we saw that some were abusing the privilege with additional posts within their threads that were not needed. We also suspected that some were enlisting friends to post "Email sent!" or other comments in a thread, just to bump it to the top. It was becoming an administrative nightmare, requiring far too much time every day trying to make every one follow the rules.
So...we changed the rules. No replies means no more gaming the system to keep your listing on top and no more alerts about bumping.
Sounds fair to me. I have no problem with this new rule, and really appreciate the "For Sale" forum.
Jeff
