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Hi everyone, I am looking to introduce some model railroading concepts into my Cub Scout den (3rd grade Bears becoming Webelows in the fall). I have read quite a bit about John Allen's Timesaver shunting puzzle. I have a leftover Bachman HO kit and I have been recreating plans in both SCARM and AnyRail (less than 50 pieces). I know we are here because of O-gauge, but I am hoping some of this transcends scale. Based on everything I have read I think this layout should work for the puzzle solving parts. Please take a look and let me know, both versions are the same I was just allowing for as much input as possible.

 

Here are some additional items to consider. Because this set I got ($35 from local hardware store post Christmas) is a Bachman I do require the matching grey HO track to keep my costs low. You might notice this version of the Timesaver is a little more curvy. Again to keep costs low I am trying to re-use the set track as much as possible. I see that Bachman sells a "track connecter assortment" which seems to have the 3 filler pieces this is showing. I know I'll need to get the 5 switches, so I picked their least expensive one.

 

If you find yourself reading this and asking about the Timesaver it is easy to Google, but most links lead to this: http://www.wymann.info/Shuntin...es/sw-timesaver.html

 

Thanks in advance for any help or insight!

 

 

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Originally Posted by sinclair:

 or rank advancement requirements (Which you haven't posted, and very, very few here would even know.)?

Railroading Merit Badge applies to By Scouts, not Bears/Webelos. TimeSaver is an excellent tool for use when presenting this Merit Badge.

 

As for transcending scale, John Allen's original TimeSaver was HO, not O. The O scale version I built has been a lot of fun to run!

Last edited by Gilly@N&W

Our Boy Scout troop built one a few years back for Railroading Merit Badge.

The most expensive parts are the switches.  The Bachmann track can get expensive.

Ours, which matched John Allen's, cost almost $200.

I would try to get in touch with local train clubs for help.

Usually there is a profusion of stuff that people don't use anymore.  As people progress in the hobby, they move away from the train sets.

It may be easier to replace all the track and switches with Atlas snap switches and flex track.

 

The idea of the time saver was to explore the switching by local freight trains. There is no set scheme for this.  You can download HO scale paper buildings on line for free, set up a small town of industries and run track to them.  The challenge is to remove the "empty" freight cars and replace them with "Full" freight cars.

 

The Cubs will have to work on the puzzle of how to get the cars moved around to do this. The only key feature you need is the run around track so you can get the engine onto either end of a freight car.

 

You don't need electrically operated switches either.  You can use one Cub as an engineer and the other as a brakeman.

 

Former Cubmaster

(Contact me by email if I can help further)

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I'm a former Cubmaster as well (Also former Assistant Scoutmaster, and an Eagle Scout.), which is why I asked about the advancement requirements.  I happen to know that the whole Cub Scout program is changing this summer, but didn't know what the new requirements are, so I don't know if the Time Saver will meet the puzzle solving items, let alone what the puzzle solving items are.

First a comment on your plan, try to eliminate some of the curves, coupling and uncoupling will be a chore rather than fun and challenging.  Those tight curves are asking for trouble.  The original time saver had all final destinations for the freight cars on straight track.  If you live near a hobby shop see if they have a used section where you can obtain old brass sectional track for pennies on the dollar.  Switches can also be had for a few bucks each.  You only need 5, try to find them then build out from there.  Keep them manual, have them checked first for electrical issues and proper gauging.  As a last resort you can find all sorts of used HO track on ebay at very low prices.  Also it looks like your plan is 7 feet by 2 feet, check your web source again, time saver can be managed in a 6 ft by 18 inch space, perhaps even down to 1 foot in width.  Makes transportation easier.  Look at http://www.carendt.com/small-layout-scrapbook/ for other examples of how to plan a time saver.

necrails has good points about the switching and straight tracks.

 

We used a piece 2" thick pink insulation from the Depot.

I covered the edges with plastic baseboard trim that they sell.

Made it very easy to carry.

 

Don't use bumpers at the end of the lines.

The Cubs will smash the couplers in no time. (lesson learned the hard way)

Another layout I saw used two nails and a rubber band as the bumper to stop the trains.

Last edited by RichO

Hi everyone, I really appreciated all of the help. I especially want to thank the folks at

La Grange Hobby Center
 
They set me up with some $5 manual switches and $2 straights (per the suggestions here). The only thing I was missing was my pink foam that I was going to place underneath and use the nail-rubberband bumpers as suggested here. It would have fit into a 2 x 8 cut into 4 foot sections for transport. I swear someone in the house ate it because it was just here! I used cardboard instead. The boys spent an hour at the train rotating through 3 times (including some siblings not in the photo). We discussed class 1 railroads, stop-look-listen, train breaking distances, and types and uses of freight. In all I would say a successful meeting.

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