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Elsewhere on the board there is poll ongoing with people discussing conventional versus command control--which they run, which they like.

 

Since we are on the DCS forum, I thought I would pose these questions: What do you like about DCS that conventional does not offer?; why did you choose DCS over conventional, or do you run both and if so, which do you run more often?

 

I thought this might provoke an interesting conversation.

 

I'll start by saying some of the advanced features, like lash-ups, like running MTH locomotives using the "all" function (nothing like hearing three or four locos blow their whistles at the same time!) with speeds matched so the spacing stays constant, and like recording a 10 or 20 minute running session and then playing it back (great for guest viewers), just make me smile. Nothing like it in conventional. Also, I love the modern sounds, some of which cannot be accessed by conventional means.

 

Indeed, I doubt I would be back in the hobby but for seeing a DCS demo.

 

Of course, to each his own--conventional is great. I just really like the command control environment.

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Originally Posted by quick:

Elsewhere on the board there is poll ongoing with people discussing conventional versus command control--which they run, which they like.

 

Since we are on the DCS forum, I thought I would pose these questions: What do you like about DCS that conventional does not offer?; why did you choose DCS over conventional, or do you run both and if so, which do you run more often?

 

Our entire layout is "command control" ONLY! It has DCS, Legacy, and TMCC available at all times, for controlling any manufacturers models, all at the same time. With a double track main line, a steam locomotive servicing facility, and a freight yard, we are able to be operating 4 to 8 different locomotives/trains simultaneously. There would be no way to   accomplish such operations with "conventional".

 

Our DCS set-up has two TIUs, in "super mode", with two Z4000 transformers (powering the double track main lines) and two Lionel 180 bricks (one brick powers the locomotive terminal while the other brick powers the freight yard and switching lead).

 

I thought this might provoke an interesting conversation.

 

I'll start by saying some of the advanced features, like lash-ups, like running MTH locomotives using the "all" function (nothing like hearing three or four locos blow their whistles at the same time!) with speeds matched so the spacing stays constant, and like recording a 10 or 20 minute running session and then playing it back (great for guest viewers), just make me smile. Nothing like it in conventional. Also, I love the modern sounds, some of which cannot be accessed by conventional means.

 

Indeed, I doubt I would be back in the hobby but for seeing a DCS demo.

 

Of course, to each his own--conventional is great. I just really like the command control environment.

 

I have not been using DCS long enough to make an experienced decision. However, in the short time I have used it I like the sound control features. You can make the engine do all kinds of stuff you can not do with conventional control. I read the entire thread you are talking about in the original post. I was amazed how many comments were about how much easier conventional is to use then the digital systems. My limited experience so far has been the opposite. I have found DCS very easy to use.

Originally Posted by quick:

Indeed, I doubt I would be back in the hobby but for seeing a DCS demo.

 

I didn't see the demo, but reading about command control, all the new features, the modern featured and detailed engines etc. is what got me back into the hobby as well. I like the remote control, sounds, remote couplers, all the new engine features, crew talk, lighting controls, programmed routes, MU's, recording a train route for playback and many more things that I can't think of right now.

 

I have both DCS and Legacy and use each system with their respective manufacturer's engines to take advantage of all the features of all their engines. I also really enjoy all the electronics involved in the hobby these days and the separate little electronic projects you can add, build, etc. for other items on your layout.

 

 

 

Quick,

    When I was little boy I dreamed of running our 263E Work Train with a hand held remote control, my Grandfather said I would live long enough to see that engineering invented and used.   Not only can I run my old Conventional train with the DCS HHRC

I get to run the new P2/P3  at the same time, even on the same tracks if I choose. Our Christmas train layout has always been a family tradition sense Lionel started making O gauge trains, now I actually get to run DCS, Legacy and conventional trains all at the same time.  I only wish my Father and Grandfather  could be here to run them with me, especially at Christmas time.

PCRR/Dave

 

 

 

 

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I started in conventional and poo-pooed command control for a few years.

 

I found I could not run the engines slow enough to do all the switching I wanted. I then bought a Cab1 and Power Master so I could at least have a handheld remote to walk along with the train, it gave me better slow-speed control but still not the greatest.

 

When I realized that with command control it not only gave me more (smaller) speed control speeds plus some sounds and control of other features (lights on/off, volume control of individual sounds, etc) I bit the bullet and bought DCS.

 

Even the conventional engines seemed to run better under CC, but soon I converted all my engines to PS2 (steam) or TMCC (diesel), DCS just seemed easier to install in a steam, TMCC requires a cam on the axle to make the chuffs.  Another great thing about DCS is all engines to date can be run, might not get all the functions but the basics are there and work well.

 

To run TMCC/Legacy engines a Command Base must be connected to DCS.  I also have a CAB1-L and Base1-L.  TMCC/Legacy engines can be run either from the DCS handheld or from the CAB1-L handheld.

 

 

I'm currently going to experiment with 1 diesel and 1 steamer by using RC/battery control.  I know folks will ask "Why?" and the answer is because I want to see if it can be done.

I was in HO and DCC then I changed over to O scale and bought my first MTH French Chapleon scale wheeled. there is no way I would have gone into O scale if they did not have DCS. At the time, I did not even have an AC transformer, I have a 12V DC power supply from my R/C plane hobby and I used it to run MTH....For me, I can never see myself running conven. only...some time I try conven. if an engine does not have DCS or Legacy.

 

Now I run DCS and Legacy and I like them both even though they have their short comings....I only wish that they had a standard system like DCC OR that they were friendly enough to each other to make their products run on either DCS or Legacy...I know MTH can run a feature subset of Lionel TMCC/Legacy, but Legacy can not run any MTH in command as far as I know...

Quick,

   Just to add a further comment on this subject, the DCS slow speed control of your P2/P3 engines is one of the big advantages of running with the DCS or Legacy.  Along with the super sound effects it brings the O gauge railroad into modern times.  The great thing is everything was engineered to run both Conventional and DCS remote control, people in this hobby get the best of both worlds in one operating system.  Myself I really like the blending of both worlds, I waited a long time for it to happen and appreciate the engineering very very much.

PCRR/Dave

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You only have to go inside the unit if you want to operate under DCC (to remove the jumper).

 

How many DCC operators (almost always 2-railers) do you know who would buy a RailKing locomotive?

 

The DCS/DCC switch was causing confusion when inadvertently left in the DCC position from the factory (my first three PS3 locos came out of the box set to DCC). If the unit is in DCS mode, it will work out whether it's on a DCS or conventional track on its own, same as PS2.

 

--PCJ

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