I bought the new RK PRR E-8 set with Protosound 3.0 and I prefer the PFA announcements from my older 2.0 E-8. Will the sound quality be poor or are there any other reasons not to put the 2.0 sound file in the 3.0 engine?
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For one it can't be done, can't mix PS2 and PS3 sound files
Well that answers that. Thanks!
Brad & Gary,
For one it can't be done, can't mix PS2 and PS3 sound files
That would be, at least somewhat, incorrect.
Well that answers that.
No, it does not. 
The fact is that one can, indeed, put a 3 volt PS2 Sound File in a PS3 engine without any ill effects. Further, because PS3 engines have their speed control parameters in the engine's Chain File rather than its Sound File, the engine's scale speed isn't affected, either.
Their are no real disadvantages to the PS3 engine having a PS2 (3 volt) Sound File.
Barry Broskowitz posted:Brad & Gary,
For one it can't be done, can't mix PS2 and PS3 sound files
That would be, at least somewhat, incorrect.
Well that answers that.
No, it does not.
The fact is that one can, indeed, put a 3 volt PS2 Sound File in a PS3 engine without any ill effects. Further, because PS3 engines have their speed control parameters in the engine's Chain File rather than its Sound File, the engine's scale speed isn't affected, either.
Their are no real disadvantages to the PS3 engine having a PS2 (3 volt) Sound File.
Exactly.
The protosound format isn't public but some have determined aspects of it. For example here: http://www.silogic.com/trains/ADPCM.html
If you have a PC, you can download the program on that page and use it to play ".mth" files -- well the clips in them -- either PS2 or PS3.
In theory perhaps with some software of your own design you could extract the PFA announcements in one and place it in the other.
Perhaps that file would upload to your engine and it would work... There's some discussion of experiments in this area at the bottom of the page from above.
Engine House Hobbies replaced the failed Proto 2 boards in my GG1 with PS3 boards; however, they had issues loading the PS3 sound files into the engine so they loaded the Proto 2 files into the GG1. From a running perspective, I can not see any difference in the operating performance before the replacement and now.
wasting board's storage capacity? Hopefully better or more in the PS3 sound sets. Usually better bells and whistles!
PS2 3V sound files are put into PS3 locomotives with no problem.
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Barry Broskowitz posted:Brad & Gary,
For one it can't be done, can't mix PS2 and PS3 sound files
That would be, at least somewhat, incorrect.
Well that answers that.
No, it does not.
The fact is that one can, indeed, put a 3 volt PS2 Sound File in a PS3 engine without any ill effects. Further, because PS3 engines have their speed control parameters in the engine's Chain File rather than its Sound File, the engine's scale speed isn't affected, either.
Their are no real disadvantages to the PS3 engine having a PS2 (3 volt) Sound File.
So you can't do 5v to 3v. But as long as both are 3v you are good to go? I did not know that, thanks
Gary,
So you can't do 5v to 3v. But as long as both are 3v you are good to go?
Correct, regarding putting a PS2 sound file in a PS3 engine..
5V only work in 5V Boards. 3V work in 3V and PS-3 Boards. G
To the original poster -- is it this sound file (for this model): http://mthtrains.com/20-20398-1 vs this one? http://mthtrains.com/20-2598-1
Gary, many locomotives with 5 volt boards have upgraded sound files. In the early days of PS2 if we wanted a 5 volt file converted to a 3 volt file we had to contact MTH to get it done. If you look at any of your 5 volt loco item numbers , you may see MTH shows an upgraded sound file on the MTH site. I recently converted a PS-1 Yellowstone to PS-3. If you look at the PS-1 item number (20-3030-1) you will see MTH has converted that to an upgraded file that can be used in the upgrade kit. The upgrade file is a PS-2 3 volt file that can be used in a PS-2 3 volt board or a PS-3 board.
Like I stated the 5 volt boards may have an upgraded file to put in your PS-2 and PS-3 engines. . If it does not, you know a guy who knows a guy who can get it done for you.
This is all good to know. As I'm hoping with the new release of the NYC Mohawks next year will have better sounds than my 2009 version. Which if it is I'll download and load into my engine, which until this thread I didn't know was possible
Gary, That might not work. If your 2009 is a PS-2 3V the new Mohawk would be a PS-3 file. You can not put a PS-3 file into a PS-2 5V or 3V. Doesn't work in reverse.
PS-3 only into PS-3 based boards.
PS-2 3V into PS-2 3V and PS-3
PS-2 5V only into PS-2 5V. G
GGG posted:Gary, That might not work. If your 2009 is a PS-2 3V the new Mohawk would be a PS-3 file. You can not put a PS-3 file into a PS-2 5V or 3V. Doesn't work in reverse.
PS-3 only into PS-3 based boards.
PS-2 3V into PS-2 3V and PS-3
PS-2 5V only into PS-2 5V. G
Well that sucks, but thanks for the clarification.
now my question is can you put a proto 3 sound file in a proto 2 board?
NO. Can't put PS-3 into PS-2. G
Marty Fitzhenry posted:Gary, many locomotives with 5 volt boards have upgraded sound files. In the early days of PS2 if we wanted a 5 volt file converted to a 3 volt file we had to contact MTH to get it done. If you look at any of your 5 volt loco item numbers , you may see MTH shows an upgraded sound file on the MTH site. I recently converted a PS-1 Yellowstone to PS-3. If you look at the PS-1 item number (20-3030-1) you will see MTH has converted that to an upgraded file that can be used in the upgrade kit. The upgrade file is a PS-2 3 volt file that can be used in a PS-2 3 volt board or a PS-3 board.
Like I stated the 5 volt boards may have an upgraded file to put in your PS-2 and PS-3 engines. . If it does not, you know a guy who knows a guy who can get it done for you.
My uncle is getting a MTH CNW E4 upgraded from PS1 to PS3. MTH hasn't made a PS3 E4, on the product page for the PS1 model (20-3034-1) is has the upgrade file, when he was taking it to get upgraded, I asked the dealer if he could put the PS2 sound set in it, he said he can't. But I could put that file in and it would work?
Matt,
You can place any PS2 3 volt sound file in any PS3 engine.
Barry Broskowitz posted:Matt,
You can place any PS2 3 volt sound file in any PS3 engine.
That's what I thought.
Not sure why he can't, but you can??? Yes it can be done, and has been discussed before. G
Matt, I have that PS-1 E4 that I upgraded. It makes a great locomotive. Like many PS-1 locomotives, you get the giant Pittman motor. I am a huge fan. The E-4 makes a great conversion.
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Marty Fitzhenry posted:Matt, I have that PS-1 E4 that I upgraded. It makes a great locomotive. Like many PS-1 locomotives, you get the giant Pittman motor. I am a huge fan. The E-4 makes a great conversion.
Nice!
