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Don,

 

Latest article is about being a railfan and his love of 611.  But, he also states for Norfolk Southern and I quote "for reason that are unclear to me but probably includes lawyers" does not allow photo runbys anymore.  Not looking to start a bashing, or anything of the sorts.  Just looking for conformation/clarification if that is true?

 

And thank you NS for your 21st century steam program.

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Originally Posted by superwarp1:

Don,

 

Latest article is about being a railfan and his love of 611.  But, he also states for Norfolk Southern and I quote "for reason that are unclear to me but probably includes lawyers" does not allow photo runbys anymore.  Not looking to start a bashing, or anything of the sorts.  Just looking for conformation/clarification if that is true?

 

Yes, it is true. Two main reasons: A) takes way too long to unload passengers (many who are elderly) onto uneven ground surfaces (think liability issues also), then getting permission from the Dispatcher to make reverse movements, B) ties up the main line of a VERY busy railroad.

 

And thank you NS for your 21st century steam program.

 

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For the NKP #765 excursion this Saturday out of Steamtown, the trip description on the Fort Wayne RR Historical Society website says:

 

"No. 765 will tackle tough mountain railroading east of Steamtown National Historic Site. On Saturday’s trip, the 765 will depart Steamtown at 10:30 am and proceed east through Nay Aug Tunnel.  There will be a photo runby for all passengers enroute to the scenic Delaware Water Gap where everyone will get off the train for a lunch stop. The 765 will be serviced during the lunch stop."

 

Is this runby being done because these are not Norfolk Southern tracks?  I hope so as I'm looking forward to this on Saturday!

Originally Posted by Traindiesel:

For the NKP #765 excursion this Saturday out of Steamtown, the trip description on the Fort Wayne RR Historical Society website says:

 

"No. 765 will tackle tough mountain railroading east of Steamtown National Historic Site. On Saturday’s trip, the 765 will depart Steamtown at 10:30 am and proceed east through Nay Aug Tunnel.  There will be a photo runby for all passengers enroute to the scenic Delaware Water Gap where everyone will get off the train for a lunch stop. The 765 will be serviced during the lunch stop."

 

Is this runby being done because these are not Norfolk Southern tracks?

 

Yes.

 

 I hope so as I'm looking forward to this on Saturday!

 

It takes at least 45 minutes to execute a single photo runby. That is a LONG time to tie up a busy main line and bring it to a standstill.

 

There will be photo runs on this weekend's trips because they are not being run on Norfolk Southern tracks and we will be the only train on the railroad at the time. No freights to delay.

 

In today's litigious society, people are ready to sue at the drop of a hat. On one of our recent trips, one of our passengers fell while having lunch at a restaurant in the town where the train was laying over for a couple of hours. She sued the Fort Wayne RR Historical Society, owner and operator of the 765! The case will be dismissed, but FWRHS and the railroad involved still have to defend it, and that costs money.

 

It comes with the territory in today's society where anything bad that happens to me must be someone else's fault. 

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Originally Posted by OGR Webmaster:
 

In today's litigious society, people are ready to sue at the drop of a hat. On one of our recent trips, one of our passengers fell while having lunch at a restaurant in the town where the train was laying over for a couple of hours. She sued the Fort Wayne RR Historical Society, owner and operator of the 765! The case will be dismissed, but FWRHS and the railroad involved still have to defend it, and that costs money.

 

It comes with the territory in today's society where anything bad that happens to me must be someone else's fault. 

 

 

There's part of me that should be outraged.  Maybe I'm not too surprised these days.

 

I guess we should be thankful that there are at least a few places that will allow open vestibules/runbys and patronize those offerings when they come about.

Kevin

Originally Posted by OGR Webmaster:

 

 

 

 

In today's litigious society, people are ready to sue at the drop of a hat. On one of our recent trips, one of our passengers fell while having lunch at a restaurant in the town where the train was laying over for a couple of hours. She sued the Fort Wayne RR Historical Society, owner and operator of the 765! The case will be dismissed, but FWRHS and the railroad involved still have to defend it, and that costs money.

 

 

Now that is just plain ridiculous. If I were the judge that caught this case I would not only make her pay 100% of the court costs but also all of the Historical Society's legal fees as well. People need to learn to take responsibility for their own actions. I guess most people today weren't raised the way I was.

Originally Posted by OGR Webmaster:

It takes at least 45 minutes to execute a single photo runby. That is a LONG time to tie up a busy main line and bring it to a standstill.

 

There will be photo runs on this weekend's trips because they are not being run on Norfolk Southern tracks and we will be the only train on the railroad at the time. No freights to delay.

 

In today's litigious society, people are ready to sue at the drop of a hat. On one of our recent trips, one of our passengers fell while having lunch at a restaurant in the town where the train was laying over for a couple of hours. She sued the Fort Wayne RR Historical Society, owner and operator of the 765! The case will be dismissed, but FWRHS and the railroad involved still have to defend it, and that costs money.

 

It comes with the territory in today's society where anything bad that happens to me must be someone else's fault. 

I can't see how these people can even justify doing things like that? It is just ridiculous. If anyone was sued, shouldn't it have been the restaurant, a totally separate business?

 

My only time getting picked for jury duty was a case where there had been hail damage to a large apartment complex. The insurance company was from out of town. They hired a local adjuster to assess the damage so they didn't have to send their adjusters here to do it themselves. The damage came to a substantial amount. The insurance company thought the assessment was too high so they sued the adjuster wanting the difference between the actual claim and what they thought they should be paying. They never did an estimate of their own. Judge threw the case out right after the afternoon break and sent us home.

 

The whole time I was sitting there listening to the arguments from both sides I was thinking...these guys are suing the other guys for doing exactly what they asked them to do, provide them with a damage estimate? I never understood why there was even a lawsuit?

 

This was exactly as you said, if it is something excessively bad, it just has to be someone else's fault. No one is responsible for anything anymore, not even their own actions.

 

Originally Posted by rtr12:
Originally Posted by OGR Webmaster:

It takes at least 45 minutes to execute a single photo runby. That is a LONG time to tie up a busy main line and bring it to a standstill.

 

There will be photo runs on this weekend's trips because they are not being run on Norfolk Southern tracks and we will be the only train on the railroad at the time. No freights to delay.

 

In today's litigious society, people are ready to sue at the drop of a hat. On one of our recent trips, one of our passengers fell while having lunch at a restaurant in the town where the train was laying over for a couple of hours. She sued the Fort Wayne RR Historical Society, owner and operator of the 765! The case will be dismissed, but FWRHS and the railroad involved still have to defend it, and that costs money.

 

It comes with the territory in today's society where anything bad that happens to me must be someone else's fault. 

I can't see how these people can even justify doing things like that? It is just ridiculous. If anyone was sued, shouldn't it have been the restaurant, a totally separate business?

 

Maybe the "ambulance chasing attorney" who took the case assumed that the Fort Wayne Historical Society and deeper pockets than the restaurant. Maybe he thinks it is just like a "railroad" that will settle out of court?

 

My only time getting picked for jury duty was a case where there had been hail damage to a large apartment complex. The insurance company was from out of town. They hired a local adjuster to assess the damage so they didn't have to send their adjusters here to do it themselves. The damage came to a substantial amount. The insurance company thought the assessment was too high so they sued the adjuster wanting the difference between the actual claim and what they thought they should be paying. They never did an estimate of their own. Judge threw the case out right after the afternoon break and sent us home.

 

The whole time I was sitting there listening to the arguments from both sides I was thinking...these guys are suing the other guys for doing exactly what they asked them to do, provide them with a damage estimate? I never understood why there was even a lawsuit?

 

This was exactly as you said, if it is something excessively bad, it just has to be someone else's fault. No one is responsible for anything anymore, not even their own actions.

 

As an example of the truly bizarre, many years ago an elderly couple decided to end their lives together, and sat inside their nice new Buick, enclosed in the garage with the engine running. They even left a nice suicide note to their family members. An "ambulance chasing attorney" convinced the remain family members to sue Buick Motor Division of General Motors Corporation for a few hundred million dollars, because their automobiles did not have a carbon monoxide preventer or "shut-off". Naturally the judge threw THAT out! 

 

 

Originally Posted by OGR Webmaster ;

 

In today's litigious society, people are ready to sue at the drop of a hat. On one of our recent trips, one of our passengers fell while having lunch at a restaurant in the town where the train was laying over for a couple of hours. She sued the Fort Wayne RR Historical Society, owner and operator of the 765! The case will be dismissed, but FWRHS and the railroad involved still have to defend it, and that costs money.

 

 

Now that is just plain ridiculous. If I were the judge that caught this case I would not only make her pay 100% of the court costs but also all of the Historical Society's legal fees as well. People need to learn to take responsibility for their own actions. I guess most people today weren't raised the way I was.

There is a simple solution to the frivolous lawsuit actions of today. To wit:

 

- anyone should be permitted to sue anyone else over anything. The caveats are

   that the suing party needs to post a 25% +/- security bond of the amount of the

   lawsuit in order to file the suit.

- if the suing party loses, that party must pay 50% of the amount of the lawsuit to

  the aggrieved party.

 

Will never happen - too simple and logical.

 

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There is a simple solution to the frivolous lawsuit actions of today. To wit:

 

- anyone should be permitted to sue anyone else over anything. The caveats are

   that the suing party needs to post a 25% +/- security bond of the amount of the

   lawsuit in order to file the suit.

- if the suing party loses, that party must pay 50% of the amount of the lawsuit to

  the aggrieved party.

 

Will never happen - too simple and logical.





 

It will never happen because it puts the legal system out of the reach of people who don't have money.
If lawyers were sanctioned for bringing frivolous lawsuits, then things will change.

Don't think it can happen? - There is a case going in the NYC area where the grandparents on one side dragged out a divorce case. They were fined, and their lawyers are being brought before the state disciplinary committee

 

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