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My cousin has this Hafner windup set and was wondering what the value might be? Sorry about the one photo, the train is in good condition and has a small bell that rings when bounces off the ties(I believe). The track that was in the box was three rail K line and the engine still works. I did a google search and did not find this particular set. Thanks for any input.

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I would like to see a close-up picture of the engine or a car.  The picture you have posted makes it look like there isn't any lettering on the equipment.  I'm curious if it has been repainted.  I've never seen one in this color combo before, but that in and of itself doesn't mean anything - I don't claim to be a Hafner expert by any stretch of the imagination!  Perhaps some of our more knowledgeable members can chime in.

I think TOTRAINYARD is in the ballpark on value.  A brown/yellow version with the engine, two coaches and observation recently sold for $91...  Of course, if yours is a repaint, that value would likely go down (although there are a lot of cars, so that's a plus), but if it is an uncommon factory color, that value should increase.

you have a non-articulated version of the Hafner M10000.  Greenberg lists 23 different color combinations for both the articulated and non-articulated trains, so having an 'uncommon' color with Hafner isn't very uncommon.  by far the most common version is the bullet nose, articulated, UP lettered in yellow & brown train, but frankly i'd put the 23 listed liveries as probably a low-ball minimum.  if there is no lettering on your train (as with most of the metallic finishes), that is correct.

the nice part about the non-articulated sets is that you can possibly find a 1010 locomotive/ tender in a similar color for a different head end power choice.  i also like the windowed observation cars.

watch out running any bell ringing Hafner on 3-rail track.  if you track-share with a powered model, the bell clapper will definitely create some dazzling shorts, but even on unpowered track, it can snag on the center rail.  either pin the bell clapper up into the motor (much easier to demo than explain) or get yourself some proper 2-rail track.  the clapper is meant to hang down and ring the bell when it hits a 2-rail track tie, but believe me even to a Hafner fan, this can get annoying really fast.

good luck with it...gary

 

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A Red & White combo was available as was Red & Cream.  So the color combo is a legit issued color.  Sets could have as many as 6 extra cars plus the power unit, so it is fair to say your combo is a legitimate issued Set.  This info came from Greenberg's Guide to Early American Trains.  The above referenced book covers Carlisle & Finch, Hafner, & Dorfan.

The windups were Hafner's "bread & butter" and Lionel used Hafner windups in their European market, which both parties agreed uopon in later half of the 1930's.

A 6-car articulated consist in chrome and blue recently sold on the Bay, but I think 5 was the maximum they could fit in one box. Non-articulated M10000 locos had a vestibule with a side grommet on the vestibule as yours does. The coupler stuck out through a slot at the rear. Hafner also made a Zephyr version of the engine in articulated, but only in 4 color combinations. Paul Doyle does list a red and white M10000 engine with lettering omitted with floor-level couplings in the Early American Toy Trains book as well as a red/cream and a red/white with lettering.

RoyBoy posted:

It really makes me cringe to see a train thrown in the box mixed in with all the track. I always advise people to NOT do that. The track scratches the train all over. I guess lots of people thing trains are like jacks, or footballs.

..or toys, LOL! Bugs me too, it was the first thing I thought...

I love these sets.  I passed on a blue and cream 1010 with matching passenger cars.  Seller wanted $100, and I thought it was too much.  Ten years and many York shows later, I've never seen another one. 

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