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What I'm refering to is Lionel's practice of, without notifying owners, that the motors in certain locomotives have been changed from series 1 to series 2 versions?

Lionel did this to their early Polar Express rtr conventional locomotives and from an OGR post yesterday I discovered they also did it with their Docksider engine, 6-28687.

So, just how frequent a practice is this by Lionel, and other than looking up service schematics for the Lionel engines you own, how can you know whether any of your locomotive's motors have been similarly upgraded?

An OGR post of years back explained how it could be determined without removing a conventional PE loco's shell whether it has a series 1 or 2 motor, but is there also a way of identifying without removing it's shell, if a Docksider loco has a series 1 or 2 motor?

I'd like to know since I have a couple Dockside locos which pull equally and wondering whether they have the conventional series 1 small motor or the more robust series 2 motor.

Thanks for any and all input.

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The Chinese factories treat every new production run as an entirely new product. They will rarely make the same exact thing twice. The buzz words are "continual improvement" but that means there is little or no continuity of design and no spare parts for repair. Sometimes it actually is an improvement, but sometimes a perfectly good old design can be replaced with something that has bugs or is not as reliable.

Since all designs/products are essentially considered as single use (disposable) , the Chinese factories see no need for repair/replacement parts. Sometimes the "importers" have to order extra engines so they can cannibalize them for parts.

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