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Originally Posted by RadioRon:
Right you are Chris...... While he MAY have been there... in 10 years & 20 York meets, I never personally saw Jerry at York even once.  Guess he didn't like having his ears chewed off by rivet counters.  This in the face in what was an informal industry tradition upheld by leaders of the hobby: Mike Wolf, Dick Maddox, Dick Kughn, Maury Klein, Jerry Williams, Joe Hayter, etc.... each of whom was glad to chat with their customers.  

Posted by cbojanower:  Interesting, while he never really connected with the "Train Guys" he led Lionel through a period most others would have declared bankruptcy & run.  Not only did he save Lionel he put it way back on top of the O-Gauge world.

 

While he may not have stayed for the entire Meet, Jerry did attend a few OGR Forum grandstand meetings.

 

Best to Jerry in his future.  Thank you for your contributions to the hobby.

Too make it perfectly clear.. I could care less if he ever attended a single York, he had the CEO skills and business smarts to run a successful company and to have to grow while others were failing.

Sure Maury Klein and Walter Mausch were "Train Guys" put where are they now? Atlas O can best be described as stagnant and MTH is no longer driving the industry like they were 10-15 years ago. By being a good CEO and knowing to surround himself with "Train Guys" he did exactly what was needed when it was needed.

Best wishes and many thanks to Jerry.  Those of us on the forum love our hobby .  I am of the opinion that an 8 or 9 year old child will learn way more skills with model railroading than with, say an X Box.  Some of the editorials by Alan Miller over the last few years give a blue print on how to grow our hobby.  We need strong local hobby shops that provide service. Lets hope the next CEO has the time to help move that distribution channel to the next level. Hopefully, the new CEO will spend some time at OGR Headquarters to look, listen and learn.

In retail, the old saying goes, if you are not growing, you are dying.  I do thank Jerry for all his work at Lionel to keep the kid in me still alive! 

 

 

I found this statement at Vault.com:

 

Following its reorganization, Guggenheim Investment Management LLC owns about 48% of Lionel while Train Acquisition LLC owns about 28%. Senior management owns the rest.

 

I wonder if Jerry Calabrese still owns part of the company?  Who are the other "Senior Management" (does Neil Young still own any of it)?

"I wonder if Jerry Calabrese still owns part of the company?  Who are the other "Senior Management" (does Neil Young still own any of it)?"


Yes and yes to ownership, according to news releases at the time of the reorganization.  Not sure who else amongst senior management owns portions of the company.  Since Lionel is not publicly traded these details don't have to be revealed as they would for any Securities and Exchange Commission regulated entity.

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Originally Posted by Traindiesel:
Originally Posted by RadioRon:
Right you are Chris...... While he MAY have been there... in 10 years & 20 York meets, I never personally saw Jerry at York even once.  Guess he didn't like having his ears chewed off by rivet counters.  This in the face in what was an informal industry tradition upheld by leaders of the hobby: Mike Wolf, Dick Maddox, Dick Kughn, Maury Klein, Jerry Williams, Joe Hayter, etc.... each of whom was glad to chat with their customers.  

Posted by cbojanower:  Interesting, while he never really connected with the "Train Guys" he led Lionel through a period most others would have declared bankruptcy & run.  Not only did he save Lionel he put it way back on top of the O-Gauge world.

 

While he may not have stayed for the entire Meet, Jerry did attend a few OGR Forum grandstand meetings.

 

Best to Jerry in his future.  Thank you for your contributions to the hobby.

There is an old saying:  "a little knowledge is a dangerous thing."  The problem in many hobbies, including ours, is that there are people involved who are, in their own way knowledgeable about certain aspects of the hobby:  wiring and relays (Dale), repairing the new electronic locos (gunrunnerjohn, GGG), layout masters (frank53, passengertrain collector, the marketing whiz for OGR). I could go on, but you get the idea.  These folks are exceptionally knowledgeable, but that might not, and actually in many cases would likely not, translate into running Lionel successfully because there is a different skill set involved with  people who understand what it takes to run and expand a business.  Marketing is a key skill, as is the ability to be dispassionate enough about the trains not to get too bogged down in the smaller details -- for example, whether a detail is perfectly scale or prototypical.  (Just to be 100% clear, I am not belittling people who want that type of thing -- that is a perfectly respectable part of this hobby, I am just making the point that such interest does not translate into qualifications to be the Lionel CEO.)  I believe that Mr. Calabrese was a person who knows how to run a business -- his track record speaks for itself, while at the same time being sensible and self-confident enough enough to surround himself with the appropriate people in supporting roles.  This gave Lionel the savvy it needed from a business perspective while retaining a good grasp on what the most passionate demographics of its client base wanted.  In a simlar way, Joshua Lionel Cowen was not originally a train enthusiast but as many of you know, an inventor, marketing genius and overall savvy businessman.  My opinion is that he was too old to really help Lionel when the country changed in the late 1950s into the 1960s, but had he been in his prime he likely would have figured out a way to keep the business alive, because he did that in the 1930s during the Great Depression.

 

That's a long way of saying it is not really all that relevant a critique of Jerry Calabrese to say that he didn't attend York.  He didn't need to.  He did a great job and the company is in much better shape now than it was when he arrived.  Now all of us long-time Lionel fans -- people like me who are rooting for the company to get things right -- just need to continue to push the company to get the manufacturing situation straightened out and the quality where it needs to be. 

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Gee, we're all lamenting the fact that Jerry wasn't around for every York.  I like to think he was back at the ranch keeping the place running, and it appears he did that very well.

 

RAL indeed said it best, he didn't have to be a model train junkie to keep the Lionel ship afloat, he just had to be a good executive and businessman, apparently he was both.  I know I'd run the ship on the rocks as soon as I took the wheel, so I'm not applying for the job.

 

Originally Posted by gunrunnerjohn:

Gee, we're all lamenting the fact that Jerry wasn't around for every York.  I like to think he was back at the ranch keeping the place running, and it appears he did that very well.

 

RAL indeed said it best, he didn't have to be a model train junkie to keep the Lionel ship afloat, he just had to be a good executive and businessman, apparently he was both.  I know I'd run the ship on the rocks as soon as I took the wheel, so I'm not applying for the job.

 

 

 

100% spot on.  While obviously the thought of him being a real model train enthusiast in addition to being a business man like Richard Kuhn or Mike Wolf has obvious appeal and can certainly be perceived as advantageous, there simply is no need for a company President/CEO to be both.  In fact, it's much, much better in that position to be the businessman head and shoulders above being an enthusiast.

 

He did the smart thing to be sure; surround himself with competent staff that could handle the "enthusiast" side of things to translate what the consumers want and he gave the company something that's essential for any company head to do:  Provide direction.

Some very good testimonials on this topic, and I agree that Jerry was the one to guide Lionel through the very mixed up complexity that was happening at the time he took over.  Incidentally, in addition to the lawsuits between MTH and Lionel, there was also a lawsuit and settlement that involved K-Line trains.

 

I must say that when I saw the handwriting on the wall that Lionel was starting to relocate itself to North Carolina, I knew that Jerry and his staff in New York was to be short-lived.   He's a New Yorker and wasn't going to get involved with operations in other locations.  And as Lionel began to assemble all of it's operations in NC, it became apparent that, first Lionel-Ohio and then New York would move and next, the Michigan operations.  They can be much more efficient operating in just one location.

 

Now let's hope that first the economy and then the market for toy trains comes back strong enough to make all this new planning worthwhile.  All manufacturers are struggling to survive these times.

 

Paul Fischer

I'm sorry to see Jerry Calabrese leave Lionel.  I believe, he has been a very

effective,  guiding President and CEO of the company.  Some of the opinions

and speculations regarding his leaving at this time, of course, are only that. 

Only he knows, but he can feel confident that he leaves Lionel, in better shape than when he took over.

 

Best to him.

 

George    

Allen as others have suggested would you consider an "exit" interview with Jerry?

 

I personally believe Lionel has some kind of special blessing it seems that when it's in BIG trouble someone comes in to help it out, i.e. Richard Kuhn, etc.

 

I was getting back into the hobby as a result of the urging of my young sons, one who is now 11 when Jerry was President and it all started for me with the release of the "El Capitan" set. It brought back memories as my Dad was a railfan and we rode on one of the last trips from Chicago to California I was a little guy but I still have vivid memories of that trip.

 

As a medical resident I got to relive that memory again as there was a Dinner Train operating out of Indianapolis that was made up of the El Capitan and a drug company took us out on an excursion ride.

 

Anyway I like how Lionel has under the direction Jerry C. risen from near ashes to take its place as one of the premier electric train companies again.

 

I hope he accepts your offer if you so feel compelled and would look very forward to reading the interview in OGR

 

Thank you Jerry 

Best wishes always!!!

Originally Posted by Dale Manquen:

Does anyone have information on how much of Lionel is now NASCAR models vs. trains?  I expect that the NASCAR business provides a lot of cash flow that helps to stabilize Lionel.

Good point Dale! Lionel Trains are mere "chump change" when compared to the massive market of NASCAR. NASCAR probably makes more money on T shirts alone than Lionel and MTH combined

Originally Posted by Pine Creek Railroad:

Gentlemen,

    I do believe we will all look back on this with great regret as time goes bye.

Jerry was a very good business man, which Lionel still needs at this particular time.

Guggenheim Partners just lost a seriously good business manager at Lionel.

PCRR/Dave

Well if Mr. Hitchcock knows were to get a reliable Lionel smoke fan motor made, that would be a HUGE improvement over JC, IMO

Good one,
 
Throw in some switches that I feel need some rework.
cab2 unavailability for a long time. * yes, know about the redesign
New system not compatable across the board.
 
 
 
 
 
Originally Posted by RickO:
Originally Posted by Pine Creek Railroad:

Gentlemen,

    I do believe we will all look back on this with great regret as time goes bye.

Jerry was a very good business man, which Lionel still needs at this particular time.

Guggenheim Partners just lost a seriously good business manager at Lionel.

PCRR/Dave

Well if Mr. Hitchcock knows were to get a reliable Lionel smoke fan motor made, that would be a HUGE improvement over JC, IMO

 

With all respect I don't think he has to connect with the "true" hobbyist. An excellent CEO has the type of staff that can keep him informed about that.

At the same time the needs of the company as specialized as Lionel requires special handling and I think he did fine in light of the fact that you are dealing more and more with a shrinking customer base. If NASCAR is bringing in the $$ to help support the train aspect of the hobby that's OK too as long as everyone is committed to keeping the trains running at Lionel.

 

A lot of other "famous" named companies are doing similar things, i.e. Remington, Smith and Wesson, Glock etc; they just don't produce guns they have knives, binoculars, T-Shirts, Clothing, etc

I think Lionel and everybody else needs to take a lesson from Hunter Harrison, present leader of CP.

 

He may not have people skills.  But there is a point I do agree on.  If the CEO and the leaders of X railroad do not have some actual connection with the railroad and its product, they are worthless.  Under Hunter, leaders have to learn to run trains.

 

In a toymakers case, I would say the CEO and leaders have to take time, and learn the products.  PLAY WITH IT.  feel the frustration of something in a set breaking and the Hobby Shop is closed.  Work World's Greatest Hobby.  Get kicked in the mental privates.  Learn to do your job within the context of the companies product.

Right, then by your standard Vince Lombardi was a terrible coach because he never played in the NFL. Red Auerbach was a terrible coach because he never played in the NBA. Ronald Reagan and Bill Clinton were terrible Commanders in Chief because they never served in the military. Alan Mulally and James McNerney were terrible Boeing CEOs because neither was ever a commercial pilot. I could go on like this for a REALLY long time showing how horribly wrong your statement is. 
 
Originally Posted by Dominic Mazoch:

 If the CEO and the leaders of X railroad do not have some actual connection with the railroad and its product, they are worthless.  Under Hunter, leaders have to learn to run trains.

  

 

One more point to consider: the "true hobbyists" do not make up the majority of Lionel's sales. If you're the CEO of a company it doesn't make good business sense - nor is it in the best long term interests of the company - to spend the majority of your time listening to a small but vocal part of your customer base. This would make about as much sense as the CEO of Chevrolet only paying attention to Corvette owners or the CEO of Mattel only paying attention to Barbie collectors. Whine all you want about starter sets, Polar Express, LionChief, etc. but it's that and not the Vision stuff that keeps Lionel in business. 

Originally Posted by Mike W.:

Who will be the CEO based in NY?  The president isn't necessarily the CEO?  If Hitchcock is both then who will work out of the NY office?

As I posted on the thread "Mfrs Presentations at TCA Museum, Strasburg" Mr. Hitchcock said the New York office has been closed.  The company is consolidating all its core expertise in North Carolina. 

 

I should add that Mr. Hitchcock was introduced as "President and CEO of Lionel" so he is it as far as where the buck stops.  I was very impressed that so soon after taking over he took the time to come to Strasburg and talk to us and with us.   

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Obviously  I have no idea what the owners think of his stewardship but in my book he did a great job.  I don't subscribe to the idea that a CEO has to bring prior experience or product knowledge.  However he does have to have the smarts to surround himself with the experts, and to actually listen to them.  If I am not mistaken he came to Lionel from the comic book industry with no model train experience.  And he is leaving Lionel in great shape, lots of new products, all of which in a still weak economy and thru some very troubling times legally.

 

I hope his replacement continues the progress and advances Lionel even further.

 

Ed

 

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