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H Hancock52OGR Forum Member

I can help to a certain extent as I researched and got 3/4ths of the cars you mention over a long period ending last year. But there are other far more expert passenger car collectors on the Forum and I hope one or more weigh in.

 

I think that you are right about the four sets of 21" cars produced. All the car numbers you give tally with what I have got but as I say I have not got the complete run. I think that there were indeed 3 parlor cars produced - two of them were in the six car set K4688E that I got BUT note what I say below about cars being mixed and matched between sets.

 

One way of confirming the car numbers is to check the auction sites (including FleaBay) where there are photos of the cars/boxes. However, you have to be wary of the fact that sellers sometimes substitute one car for another to make up a full number - especially the baggage, combine, tavern and dome cars.

 

A few sets are still advertised as available from former main K-Line dealers although the prices average about $150 per car. Eastern Depot is one but you need to check the actual stock position with them.

 

Hope this helps. 

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Alan SteinkirchnerAlan SteinkirchnerOGR Forum Member

I have 'em all.  16 cars total is correct:

 

4688B 6-car set:

  • 41031 Tavern #10313
  • 42439 Coach #2439
  • 42950 Obs. #2950
  • 43002 Parlor #3002
  • 43302 Combine #3302
  • 43606 Dome #3606

4688C 4-car set:

  • 43601 Dome #3600
  • 40312 Tavern Lounge #10312
  • 43000 Parlor #3000
  • 42952 Obs. #2952

4688D 2-car set:

  • 43303 Combine #3303
  • 46735 Baggage #6735

4688F 4-car set:

  • 46734 Baggage #6734
  • 43605 Dome # 3605
  • 41040 Coffee shop/Lounge #10400
  • 43003 Parlor #3003

 

 

B bob2OGR Forum Member

I had one.  The body and window height were incorrect for the Daylight, although quite good for other Pullman cars, such as Santa Fe.  The closest you can come for reasonable $ is the GGD series.  If you build your own, almost perfect extrusions were made a couple decades ago, and may still be available in 10' lengths.

CincinnatiWesternCincinnatiWesternOGR Forum Member DIGITAL SUBSCRIBER

Craig,

 

Alan's numbers match mine, I too have these cars and they are lovely (just like most if not all 21" K-line cars).

 

Bob2 is right in that these are not matched well to the prototype, like other cars offered. The GGD cars are more detailed and in many ways more correct to the prototype, but having bid and lost more than a couple times on sets of them, they aren't in the same price point ball park as the K-lines.

 

Good luck, these do come available on a fairly regular basis on the auction sites and here on the buy/sell sub-forum, often single cars too which is great. 

 

 

H Hancock52OGR Forum Member
Originally Posted by CincinnatiWestern:

Bob2 is right in that these are not matched well to the prototype, like other cars offered. The GGD cars are more detailed and in many ways more correct to the prototype, but having bid and lost more than a couple times on sets of them, they aren't in the same price point ball park as the K-lines.

 

Good luck, these do come available on a fairly regular basis on the auction sites and here on the buy/sell sub-forum, often single cars too which is great. 

 

 

I agree. The OP is after the K-Line 21" versions of the Daylight cars and has got a definitive list of them, which is great, so maybe a comparison with other versions is surplus to requirements. Nonetheless it is right that the K-Line cars in question are generic compared to the GGD offerings, which included some of the articulated cars. Just try to find them though and if you do the prices are a few orders of magnitude higher.

 

The Lionel 18" Daylight versions rate a mention as fine products of the now practically bygone era of Lionel aluminum cars.

Marty FitzhenryMarty FitzhenryOGR Forum Member MEMORIALIZED MEMBER

This should help.

Browsing the Passenger Cars

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K-4400BPullman Heavyweight 5-PAC$349.95
K-4404AACL "Palmetto Ltd" Heavyweight 5-PAC$349.95
K-44081Chicago and Alton Alton Ltd 6-Car Set$469.95
K-4416BCircus Transport Heavyweight Passenger Car 2-Pac$139.95
K-4416CCircus Transport Railroad Heavyweight 2-PAC #3$139.95
K-4416DCircus Transport HW 2-PAC$139.95
K-4419ACNJ HW 4-PAC$279.95
K-44211The Rio Grande Royal Gorge 6-Car Set$449.95
K-44382The Lackawanna Limited 6-Car Set$449.95
K-4439ALong Island Heavyweight Passenger Car 4-PAC$269.95
K-44431Milwaukee Road 6-Car Set$449.95
K-44432Milwaukee Road Heavyweight Passenger Car 2-Pac$139.95
K-4470BNYC 28th Anniversary 18" HW Set$349.95
K-4470DBoston & Albany HW 4-PAC$279.95
K-4471BNYC 6-Car Heavyweight Passenger Car Set$469.95
K-4480CPRR Broadway Ltd Heavyweight 6-PAC$419.95
K-4480DPRSL 18" HW 4-PAC$279.95
K-4486BSouthern "Crescent" Heavyweight Passenger Car 5-PAC$349.95
K-4504AAtlantic Coast Line 4-PAC$159.95
K-4504BAtlantic Coast Line 2-PAC$79.95
K-4510AB and O 2-PAC$84.95
K-4516ACircus Transport 2-PAC$79.95
K-4516BCircus Transport Streamliner Passenger Car 2-PAC$79.95
K-4516CCircus Transport Streamliner 2-PAC$84.95
K-4530ASanta Fe Streamliner 2-PAC$84.95
K-4532AGolden State Streamliner™ 2-PAC #1$60.00
K-4539BLong Island 2-PAC$84.95
K-4549ANew Haven 4-PAC$159.95
K-4580GPRR Streamliner 2-Pac$79.95
K-4601AAmerican Freedom Train Passenger Car 5-PAC$599.95
K-4601BAmerican Freedom Train Crew Car 4-PAC$449.95
K-4602AAlaska 15" 6-PAC$629.95
K-4603AAmtrak 21" Heritage Passenger Car 2-PAC$249.95
K-4603BAmtrak 21" Heritage Passenger Car 2-PAC$249.95
K-4603CAmtrak 15" Horizon Passenger Car 2-PAC$209.95
K-4603DAmtrak 15" Horizon Passenger Car 2-PAC$209.95
K-4603GAmtrak 21" Superliner 2-PAC$299.95
K-4603HAmtrak 21" Superliner 2-PAC$299.95
K-4603KAmtrak California 21" Surfliner 4-PAC$599.95
K-4603LAmtrak Superliner 18" 4-PAC$499.95
K-4603MAmtrak "Superliner" 21" 2-PAC$299.95
K-4603QAmtrak Surfliner 5-PAC$749.95
K-4610CBaltimore & Ohio "The Columbian" 21" 2-PAC$249.95
K-4610DB&O 21" Aluminum Passenger 2-PAC$249.95
K-4610EB&O 21" Aluminum Passenger 2-PAC$249.95
K-4610FB&O 15" Aluminum Passenger 4-PAC$419.95
K-4612ACSX 15" Business Car 4-PAC$419.95
K-4612BCSX 21" Business Car 4-PAC$499.95
K-4612CCSX 21" Business Train 2-PAC$249.95
K-4616ACircus Transport 18" Aluminum Passenger Car 2-PAC$249.95
K-4616BCircus Transport 18" Aluminum Passenger Car 2-PAC$249.95
K-4616DCircus Transport 18" 2-PAC # 4$229.95
K-4618ACanadian Pacific Pullman 2-PAC (15")$199.95
K-4618BCanadian Pacific The Canadian 4-PAC (18")$579.95
K-4618CCanadian Pacific The Canadian 2-PAC (15")$199.95
K-4618DCP ?The Canadian? 15" 5-PAC$519.95
K-4620CC&NW "The 400" 21" Bi-Level 4-PAC$599.95
K-4620EC&NW 21" "The 400" Gallery Car 2-PAC$299.95
K-4620GC&NW 21" "The 400" 4-PAC$499.95
K-4620JC&NW 21" "The 400" 2-PAC$249.95
K-4620LC&NW 15" "The 400" 2-PAC$209.95
K-4620MC&NW 15" "The 400" 2-PAC$209.95
K-4621ARio Grande "The Prospector" 15" Passenger Car 4-PAC$419.95
K-4621BRio Grande "The Prospector" 21" Passenger Car 4-PAC$499.95
K-4630ASF Super Chief 2-PAC (15$209.95
K-4630BSF Super Chief 4-PAC (15")$419.95
K-4630CSF Super Chief 4-PAC (18")$459.95
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K-4630FSanta Fe "El Capitan" 21" Hi-Level 2-PAC$299.95
K-4630HSF "El Capitan" 18" Hi-Level 4-PAC$499.95
K-4630JSanta Fe 21" Hi-Level 2-PAC$299.95
K-4630KSanta Fe 21" Hi-Level 2-PAC$299.95
K-4630LSF "Midnight Chief" 18" 4-PAC$459.95
K-4630MSF "Midnight Chief" 18" 2-PAC$229.95
K-4630NSanta Fe 18" Midnight Chief 2-PAC$229.95
K-4630PSanta Fe 21" 4-PAC$499.95
K-4630QSanta Fe 21" 2-PAC$249.95
K-4630RSanta Fe 21" 2-PAC$249.95
K-4630SSanta Fe 21" Hi-Level 4-PAC$599.95
K-4630TSanta Fe "El Capitan" 18" Aluminum Passenger 4-PAC$459.95
K-4632BGolden State Scale Passenger Car 4-PAC$240.00
K-4633AGN Empire Builder 15" 6-PAC$629.95
K-4633BGN Empire Builder 21" 6-PAC$749.95
K-4633CGN Empire Builder 21" 4-PAC$499.95
K-4635AIC City of New Orleans 2-PAC (15")$209.95
K-4635BIC City of New Orleans 4-PAC (18")$459.95
K-4636ACal Train 18" Bombardier Commuter Car 4-PAC$499.95
K-4636BCal Train 21" Bombardier Commuter Car 4-PAC$599.95
K-4636CMetrolink 18" Bombardier Commuter Car 4-PAC$499.95
K-4636DMetrolink 21" Bombardier Commuter Car 4-PAC$599.95
K-4636ESounder 18" Bombardier Commuter Car 4-PAC$499.95
K-4636FSounder 21" Bombardier Commuter Car 4-PAC$599.95
K-4636GTri-Rail 18" Bombardier Commuter Car 4-PAC$499.95
K-4636HTri-Rail 21" Bombardier Commuter Car 4-PAC$599.95
K-4636JVRE 18" Bombardier Commuter Car 4-PAC$499.95
K-4636KVRE 21" Bombardier Commuter Car 4-PAC$599.95
K-4638ALackawanna Phoebe Snow 5-PAC (15")$499.95
K-4638BLackawanna 15" 4-PAC$419.95
K-4638CLackawanna 15" 2-PAC$209.95
K-4638DLackawanna 18" 4-PAC$459.95
K-4638ELackawanna 18" 2-PAC$229.95
K-4639ALong Island Rail Road 4-PAC (15")$399.95
K-4639BLIRR 18" 4-PAC$459.95
K-4640ATexas Special 18" 4-PAC$459.95
K-4640BTexas Special 18" 2-PAC$229.95
K-4642BMetra 21" Bi-Level 4-PAC$599.95
K-4643AMilwaukee Road "Hiawatha": 15" Passenger Car 2-PAC$209.95
K-4643BMilwaukee Road "Hiawatha" 15" Passenger Car 4-PAC$419.95
K-4643CMilwaukee Road "Hiawatha" 21" Passenger Car 2-PAC$249.95
K-4643DMilwaukee Road "Hiawatha" 21" Passenger Car 4-PAC$499.95
K-4643FMilw Rd 18" Aluminum Passenger 4-PAC$459.95
K-4643GMilw Rd 18" Aluminum Passenger 2-PAC$229.95
K-4643HMilw Rd 18" Aluminum Passenger 2-PAC$229.95
K-4643JMilw Rd 21" Aluminum Passenger 2-PAC$249.95
K-4643KMilwaukee Road 21" 6-PAC$749.95
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K-4650ANP "North Coast Ltd." 15" Passenger Car 2-PAC$209.95
K-4650BNP "North Coast Ltd." 15" Passenger Car 4-PAC$419.95
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K-4650DNP "North Coast Ltd." 21" Passenger Car 4-PAC$499.95
K-4670ANYC Empire State Express 4-PAC (15")$399.95
K-4670BNYC Empire State Express 4-PAC (21")$499.95
K-4670CNYC "Empire State Express" Passenger Car 3-PAC$379.95
K-4670DNYC 20th Century Ltd. 21" 2-PAC$249.95
K-4670ENYC 20th Century Ltd. 21" 4-PAC$499.95
K-4670KNew York Central "20th Century Limited" 15" 5-PAC$524.95
K-4670LNYC Empire State Express 21" 6-PAC$749.95
K-4670MNYC Empire State Express 21" 4-PAC$499.95
K-4670NNYC Empire State Express 15" 6-PAC$629.95
K-4680APRR Spirit of St Louis Baggage/RPO 2-PAC (15")$199.95
K-4680BPRR Spirit of St Louis 4-PAC (15")$399.95
K-4680CPRR Spirit of St Louis 4-PAC (18")$469.95
K-4680FPRR Congressional 15" 2-PAC$209.95
K-4680GPRR Congressional 15" 4-PAC$419.95
K-4680HPRR Congressional 21" 2-PAC$249.95
K-4680JPRR Congressional 21$499.95
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K-4680LMPRR Raymond Loewy 18" Bi-Level 6-PAC$749.95
K-4680MPRR Raymond Loewy 18" Bi-Level 2-PAC$249.95
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K-4680NNPRR "The Jeffersonian" 21" 4-PAC$499.95
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K-4688BSouthern Pacific 15" Aluminum Passenger Car 4-Pac$419.95
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K-4688FSP Daylight 21" 4-PAC$499.95
K-4688GSP Daylight 15" 6-PAC$629.95
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K-4830BSF The Chief 4-PAC$199.95
K-4843CMilwaukee Road 4-PAC$199.95
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K4888-6011SP Daylight Milk & Cream
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I too have all 16 cars for this set, plus two duplicate numbers.  Unfortunately the duplicates are the baggage and baggage/coach add on set which I believe is quite common.  My challenge is that I can't run all 16 without changing the lighting to LED first. 

Does anyone consider the express boxcar to be part of the set?  I have one of those as well.  Just curioius.

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I have the 21" Metrolink set. Beautifully done cars, though sans passengers. I often wonder what became of the K-line 21" tooling. They did a nice job on the Superliners, Surfliners and Bombardier cars. The regular passenger cars were nicely done, but more generic. On auction sites, they command very high prices due to their rarity. Would love to see them produced again.

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I have a set not listed above.  They were a 6 car 18" heavy weights for Lackawana in the 4400 Series.  These were made exclusively for the Train Station in Mountain Lakes NJ in 1991.

Excellent detail all around however they did not have a detailed interior.  I have searched for kits to do the interiors to no avail.

The same set of Lackawana cars was made in in 2003 but with different names on the cars.

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bob2 posted:

I have never seen an SP freight car in Daylight colors - at least prior to 1960.  They did have a few heavyweight passenger cars in Daylight colors.  It does look nice, though.

Calico posted:

K-Line made those SP cars back in 1991.  They were labelled as Railway Express Agency on the sides.

The car number was 6457 and it was the same size as the Lionel 6464 series.  They also had die cast trucks and couplers.

Bob - The car is a total fantasy car.  However, the K-line set is a fantasy set as well as none of the cars match the prototype Daylight.  For me, it's just a nice train. The GGD one correctly captures the articulated diner and coaches and the 3/4 dome cars were never painted in the daylight scheme.  The colors are too dark too.  To me, for running at the club, I don't particularly care about the accuracy as the public doesn't know and if someone does, it leads to great conversation.  Notice the "graffiti" on it.  The other side is signed by Nick Ladd.  The car came out of a prominent TCA member's collection here in Arizona when he auctioned off a lot of his collection.  Another nice conversation piece.

Calico - This series of boxcars are scale cars from the late 90's.  Somehow I've managed to pick up something like 5 or 6 others painted for other roads like NH, B&O, PRR, RI, and a few I'm not remembering.  They are not based on any real prototype, but more of a composite design.  Again, for running long trains for the public, I don't mind.  The are good quality cars.

I am aware of the cars you are talking about though.  I have a ton of them in WP picked up from an auction lot.  Trying to sell those off over time.

While I have lots of K-line cars, SP is the only complete set I have.  Others are individual cars I've picked up over the years to mix in with other manufacturers cars, primarily GGD.

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AGHRMatt posted:

I have the 21" Metrolink set. Beautifully done cars,

Yes they are. I have the 21" Sounder set but was waiting for the Tri-Rail set to be released. These are massive cars and do stand out in the crowd. Stupid me once let a two-rail set go by me on ebay by not hitting the BIN; the offered price (even with the shipping) was less than most of the stock three-rail listings. And much less than I paid for my Sounder set.

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GG1 4877 posted:
bob2 posted:

I have never seen an SP freight car in Daylight colors - at least prior to 1960.  They did have a few heavyweight passenger cars in Daylight colors.  It does look nice, though.

Calico posted:

K-Line made those SP cars back in 1991.  They were labelled as Railway Express Agency on the sides.

The car number was 6457 and it was the same size as the Lionel 6464 series.  They also had die cast trucks and couplers.

Bob - The car is a total fantasy car.  However, the K-line set is a fantasy set as well as none of the cars match the prototype Daylight.  For me, it's just a nice train. The GGD one correctly captures the articulated diner and coaches and the 3/4 dome cars were never painted in the daylight scheme.  The colors are too dark too.  To me, for running at the club, I don't particularly care about the accuracy as the public doesn't know and if someone does, it leads to great conversation.  Notice the "graffiti" on it.  The other side is signed by Nick Ladd.  The car came out of a prominent TCA member's collection here in Arizona when he auctioned off a lot of his collection.  Another nice conversation piece.

Calico - This series of boxcars are scale cars from the late 90's.  Somehow I've managed to pick up something like 5 or 6 others painted for other roads like NH, B&O, PRR, RI, and a few I'm not remembering.  They are not based on any real prototype, but more of a composite design.  Again, for running long trains for the public, I don't mind.  The are good quality cars.

I am aware of the cars you are talking about though.  I have a ton of them in WP picked up from an auction lot.  Trying to sell those off over time.

While I have lots of K-line cars, SP is the only complete set I have.  Others are individual cars I've picked up over the years to mix in with other manufacturers cars, primarily GGD.

You mean this 3/4 dome car:

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You don't want to know what I paid for my Metrolink set. Let's just say the seller didn't know what they had. Metrolink leased Sounder cars, some VMT cars and some Comet cars to supplement their fleet. I picked up a New Jersey Transit Atlas Comet car to add to my set to mimic one of the San Bernardino line consists. They've since bought Hyundai-Rotem cars and run them mixed with the Bombardier cars on most of their trains now. The cab cars have been stripped of their lighting and controls and are used as coaches.

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GGD was really close - possibly closer than any other in O Scale.  I am more or less happy with my fleet of inaccurate Kasiners (modified) with Speer extrusions interspersed.

I maintain that my Lobaugh trucks, while sand cast and unsprung, are the most accurate overall of any in O Scale ever.  The Speer extrusions are off by one corrugation, but you have to be an expert to spot it.

I did take one K-Line SP 21” Observation, cut several corrugations off, and machined the windows higher.  Better, but still no cigar.

But in the end, for most folks, K-Line, even the Daylights, are pretty darn good!  Too bad they didn’t last.

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sinclair posted:

How do these K-Line cars look behind the K-Line 4449?

Not good, I would think. The K-Line 4449 is undersized, selectively compressed and is much shorter than a scale GS-4. While the paint would most likely match, the size comparison would be very noticeable.

Maybe with 15" cars, the look would be better, but not with 21" cars.

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AGHRMatt posted:

 some Comet cars to supplement their fleet. I picked up a New Jersey Transit Atlas Comet car to add to my set to mimic one of the San Bernardino line consists.

To go with my Atlas MARC Comet cars, I acquired two Metro North Comets to go with them. I just need to get one of them two-railed. I do have a three-rail set of Amtrak Horizon cars that maybe one of them will migrate to the MARC train. Note that I have two MARC cab cars, one of them also needs to be two-railed.

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Jtrain posted:
GG1 4877 posted:

I stand corrected.  Thanks for the info!

I wish Sunset-GGD would make a brass version of that 3/4 dome car to match the previously made GGD Daylight sets. The K-Line full dome is a nice stand in, but of course it is not quite correct.

It would be an interesting project.  Probably would be done in brass in limited numbers as I am only aware of them being in the Daylight Scheme (new info to me), the Sunset Scheme, and Amtrak Phase I.  However online I see one in B&W white looks like it could possibly be SP painted in UP paint?

I didn't realize how interesting these cars were until I saw this page.  Wow. 

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GG1 4877 posted:

It would be an interesting project.  Probably would be done in brass in limited numbers as I am only aware of them being in the Daylight Scheme (new info to me), the Sunset Scheme, and Amtrak Phase I.  However online I see one in B&W white looks like it could possibly be SP painted in UP paint?

I didn't realize how interesting these cars were until I saw this page.  Wow. 

I would be in for one if 3rd Rail made them and I agree they'd have to be brass ($ ouch). IMHO 3rd Rail is overdue for another run of SP Daylight cars! (Scott Mann, are you listening?)

The dome car is an interesting piece of SP history. I hunted around for an O scale version but none appears to have been made.

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Hancock52 posted:
GG1 4877 posted:

It would be an interesting project.  Probably would be done in brass in limited numbers as I am only aware of them being in the Daylight Scheme (new info to me), the Sunset Scheme, and Amtrak Phase I.  However online I see one in B&W white looks like it could possibly be SP painted in UP paint?

I didn't realize how interesting these cars were until I saw this page.  Wow. 

I would be in for one if 3rd Rail made them and I agree they'd have to be brass ($ ouch). IMHO 3rd Rail is overdue for another run of SP Daylight cars! (Scott Mann, are you listening?)

The dome car is an interesting piece of SP history. I hunted around for an O scale version but none appears to have been made.

Actually, they were made in O scale at least once, in aluminum by Phoenix Railways.  Years ago I found one in the original box at a meet and so I bought it.  The same seller had a few of the other Phoenix Railways SP cars, including the articulated cars, but not the complete set.  As I recall, the Phoenix Railways SP 3/4 dome car is about 20" long, so pretty close to scale length, since the prototype 3/4 dome cars were about 81' long.  Most of the other Phoenix SP cars are too short for scale though at 20", since I believe the prototypes for them were 85'.

Here is a photo of some of the Phoenix Railways cars from another thread: https://ogrforum.ogaugerr.com/...rs#77875232741051584

(I know there were also articulated cars made by Phoenix Railways, but they are not in this photo.)

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GG1 4877 posted:
Jtrain posted:
GG1 4877 posted:

I stand corrected.  Thanks for the info!

I wish Sunset-GGD would make a brass version of that 3/4 dome car to match the previously made GGD Daylight sets. The K-Line full dome is a nice stand in, but of course it is not quite correct.

It would be an interesting project.  Probably would be done in brass in limited numbers as I am only aware of them being in the Daylight Scheme (new info to me), the Sunset Scheme, and Amtrak Phase I.  However online I see one in B&W white looks like it could possibly be SP painted in UP paint?

I didn't realize how interesting these cars were until I saw this page.  Wow. 


Yes, the SP 3/4 dome cars were painted in UP yellow/gray/red, in addition to daylight colors (and later in SP silver/red).  I found this in another forum regarding consists including SP cars in UP colors for the City of San Francisco:

"Starting in October 1954, SP heavyweight hamburger-grill cars (painted in Armour yellow and gray) began to replace the coffee shop-lounges.  SP 3/4 length domes (also painted Armour yellow and gray) were assigned to the Overland in 1955."

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