Lionel Chessie T-1 6-18011 Mods

First, I'd like to say, I'm new the Lionel 3 rail family. My brother and I had a 3 rail Marx set when we were kids many years ago. I graduated to N-Scale. But, when the eye sight started to go, so did the N-Scale. My dad had an American Flyer UP 4-8-4 since he was a kid. I did finally get that and that is when I get to re-live my childhood. He would periodically get it out and set it up and allow us to play with it. But, it's only been since last fall I purchased the Lionel LionChief Polar Express for Christmas, that is when I was bitten by the 3 rail bug.

I re-watched a DVD I have on steam trains, it has the history of the Chessie Steam Special on it. I remember this train coming through my home town back in Ohio before I joined the Coast Guard and moved away. I always liked the paint scheme and I'm a steamer fan at heart. So I did a search on eBay and found the Lionel Chessie T-1. I wanted an S-Gauge, but no luck.

I purchased this engine for $200 plus shipping. I got it and immediately took it apart and found some discrepancies.  The front boiler to chassis screw was missing, the firebox light was broken and red lens was missing, and I wasn't sure if the smoke unit worked or not.

So after placing an order to Lionel for some parts, I made a couple of modifications. This is were we take off. Hopefully the pictures and small video work.

I contacted Lionel Support for the diagrams and part numbers for the Chessie. I found that the smoke unit was no longer available.

I asked for the L-3 drawings, and received the L3A ones. These are for the NYC 4-8-2 Mohawk 6-18064. Looking at these drawings, This must be for an early TMCC system. But I did notice that most of the hard parts were the same but with different part numbers.

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Above is the 2 smoke units side by side. The green one is the OE smoke unit P/N 610-8006-200. This is no longer available. The silver one is the new one P/N 610-8064-200. These are the same. But the tops of the smoke units are slightly different. You can see that there is a hole in the vertical element support. I'm thinking this was put in to help with the problem of too much smoke fluid blocking off the air flow. So, I put one in the OE smoke unit, this is a 1/8" hole.

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Next I enlarged the hole for the smoke stack. This I enlarged to the diameter of the stack at the opening. You can see the differences below. I was going to block off the hole for the steam chest but decided to leave it open for now. Then, I removed the 27 ohm smoke element and installed an 18 ohm element P/N 691RS18OHM. I got a new smoke piston since the OE one was sloppy in the bore. The new one is better but not much.

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On the first test run of the smoke unit I noticed that the smoke lever was lifting up in the right saddle. So I made a couple of "caps" and JB Welded them to the supports. I didn't scrape off the paint so these should be fairly easy to pop off if I need to. The smoke lever now stays were it's supposed to.

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The last modification I did was to replace the front lamp and use an LED. If anyone is interested contact me and I can provide a drawing of circuit. You can see the light in the video.

After I got the engine reassembled, I shot this short video, I'm not to impressed with the smoke unit and piston, because there is a bunch of smoke coming from under the boiler due to the sloppy piston. I used an American Flyer 8B transformer to test run the engine, the CW-80 is on it's way. Since there is no load on the engine, the voltage is very low. You can see the amount of smoke pouring out of the engine.  I have considered trying to convert this engine to a fan driven smoke unit and TMCC using the Mohawk part numbers. But I not familiar with any of this technology and don't want to spend the money for it, currently.

 

Here's the link for the video.

 https://youtu.be/qZIqxnc310g

 

Chris

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No video here with Win7 or Win10.  However, I can open it and view it if I download the video and open it with VLC Media Player, don't know why Windows Media Player chokes on the video.

For videos, I upload them to YouTube and then link to them, that seems to work much better in forums.

BTW, pretty good smoke for a puffer, nice job.

If you need to find more information on the Lionel T-1 look up the Lionel number 18006 as the Chessie engine is an exact copy of the Reading Lines T-1, just has a different Lionel part number and paint job to the best of my knowledge. In real life the Chessie System either bought or rented the Reading Lines T-1 2101 and re-painted it for the Chessie System and gave it a tune-up or minor overhaul as well.

Lee Fritz

Philadelphia & Reading Railway, one of the first railroads in the USA, first to have a double track system in the USA.

Speaking of the 18006, I have one of those that I upgraded with all my stuff, ERR Cruise and sound, Super-Chuffer, Chuff-Generator, etc.   I used an MTH fan driven smoke unit, smoke like it's on fire.   For a couple of meets, it was my Super-Chuffer demo locomotive at York.

phillyreading posted:

If you need to find more information on the Lionel T-1 look up the Lionel number 18006 as the Chessie engine is an exact copy of the Reading Lines T-1, just has a different Lionel part number and paint job to the best of my knowledge. In real life the Chessie System either bought or rented the Reading Lines T-1 2101 and re-painted it for the Chessie System and gave it a tune-up or minor overhaul as well.

Lee Fritz

Any chance of getting a link for the 18006? The paperwork I have doesn't have any of the wiring with it?

Thanks in advance.

Chris

Chris

Well, you can pick up an old CAB1/BASE1 setup for less than $100 typically, that's all you need over your basic transformer for operating TMCC locomotives.

gunrunnerjohn posted:

Well, you can pick up an old CAB1/BASE1 setup for less than $100 typically, that's all you need over your basic transformer for operating TMCC locomotives.

I saw a few of those on eBay, but they're new and people still want a premium $ for them. So I'll continue to look......

But thanks for the info John.

 

Chris

Chris

Keep an eye out in the For-Sale forum here, they come by pretty regularly.

gunrunnerjohn posted:

Speaking of the 18006, I have one of those that I upgraded with all my stuff, ERR Cruise and sound, Super-Chuffer, Chuff-Generator, etc.   I used an MTH fan driven smoke unit, smoke like it's on fire.   For a couple of meets, it was my Super-Chuffer demo locomotive at York.

JOhn, I have the Reading and Chessie T-1 but with the AC motors. Want to update mine for me with TMCC/Railsounds, smoke unit and chuffer? :-)

Mark

 

All Lionel Postwar, MPC, LTI Standard O, Postwar Celebration Series, Conventional Classics, All the way!!!

 

Mine was a royal PITA, the tether was the sticking point.  They don't have any place to feed the tether out logically, so I decided to put it on the apron below the cab floor.  That spot is about 1" of SOLID DIECAST!  I must have worked on that at least an hour with a Dremel and a carbide bit to hog out a big enough hole to put my 10-pin tether connector, I'm not doing another one of those any time soon!

ZWPOWER13 posted:
gunrunnerjohn posted:

Speaking of the 18006, I have one of those that I upgraded with all my stuff, ERR Cruise and sound, Super-Chuffer, Chuff-Generator, etc.   I used an MTH fan driven smoke unit, smoke like it's on fire.   For a couple of meets, it was my Super-Chuffer demo locomotive at York.

JOhn, I have the Reading and Chessie T-1 but with the AC motors. Want to update mine for me with TMCC/Railsounds, smoke unit and chuffer? :-)

If, I go down that road, I'm theoretically thinking that the AC Commander will fit in the engine and the RailSounds in the tender. The fan driven smoke unit would be later. But then again, I typically a gluten for punishment, so I may stuff everything in the tender and "hog out" a hole for the connector. If I do, I'll post up how I do it. I also noticed that the  NYC 4-8-2 Mohawk 6-18064 has a IR link on the draw bars. If we put a set of the Mohawk tender trucks on the Chessie tender, power would be from the track and not the engine.

John, You have a source and part number for that 10 pin connector?

I've attached the 2 drawings for the Mohawk.

Chris

Chris

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I use MTH tether parts for many upgrades.  I also buy the matching Hi-Rose DF3 and/or DF11 connectors from Mouser if one of these doesn't do it.  For steamers, the engine connector on a small PCB is an MTH AG-0000039.

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Thanks for the info John. I did a cost comparison with purchasing what I would need from the Mohawk and what Elec RR costs. It's about half. So I need to bridge the gap between the tender and engine. Its too bad that the existing harness on the engine has too fine of wires to supply the smoke unit. Does anyone know the manufacture of the tether connectors on the engine?

 

Chris

You'd be surprised how small the smoke unit wires can be.  MTH uses a pretty small wire, either #26 or #28 in the harness to drive their smoke with PS/2.  The only #22 wires in the tether are power, ground, and two for the motors.  The other six are all small wires.

As I stated in my first post, I'm new to the Lionel Community. So, if this next question seems a little silly to the majority of you, please excuse me. I'm trying to learn as I go.

I bought a CW-80 transformer. I bought this figuring this is the correct fit for my T-1. Now that I decided to make the jump to TMCC, will I be able to use this transformer or will I need to purchase another one more suited for TMCC?

My aging mind tells me, all I should have to do is place the transformer in full power and then turn on and use the CAB-1 system, Yes?

By the way, I ordered the 10 pin tether and plug from MTH. I'm going to start making a list for an order to Lionel and Electric Railroad. I looked at the super chuffer and if I can get a fan driven smoke unit in the T-1, I'll add this too.

Question for you John, What MTH smoke unit did you use for your T-1 when you modified it?

This is going to be a summer long project, since car show season is around the corner, which is my other hobby.

Thanks

Chris

Chris

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