Lionel switches

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February 22, 2013 8:41 PM

Does or did Lionel make 031 radius switches for tubular track?
 
 
 
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February 22, 2013 9:22 PM

Yep, Lionel made #022 & #042 (remote and manual) for 031 (diameter) tubular track. They also made #711 (prewar) for 072 tubular track. There are TONS of these out there, as well as other sizes by Marx and K-Line.

 

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February 22, 2013 9:23 PM

Do you mean 031 diameter?  If so, the classic 022 is a great switch, and they're still made the last I knew, under another number probably.

 
 
 
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February 22, 2013 9:27 PM

Sorry I forgot to mention manual switches.
 
 
 
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February 22, 2013 9:37 PM

Yeah, I'd forgotten the manual ones.  Had a pair when I was little.  They were a hoot, with their great long handle.  Especially when I forgot to throw them the right direction!

 
 
 
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February 22, 2013 9:37 PM

#042 are the manual versions from Lionel for 031. (Not to be confused with 42" dia. / 042 track).

 

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February 23, 2013 12:08 PM

Lionel's post war 022 switches are still the best quality switch that Lionel made for use with tubular track.

 

The newer switches such as the # 6-23010 & 23011 are electronically challenged switches, and won't work correctly ever again after using a Williams engine with them.

There was another switch by Lionel, not as recent that was better than the 6-23010 series and I think the number is 5304, not 100% sure on the number, but that switch too had an electrical problem with one of the internal wires overheating aand causing either a short or an open circuit.

 

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February 23, 2013 12:11 PM

RMT is coming out with a new Snap track switch in 031 and 072 sizes. Hopefully these switches will be better than the new(made within the last 18 years) Lionel switches.

 

K-Line also made some switches in both remote control and manual control for 042 size curves. I think K-Line made 031 switches but I am not sure, as I have not seen one recently for sale.

 

Lee Fritz

 

Philadelphia & Reading Railway, one of the first railroads in the USA, first to have a double track system in the USA.

 
 
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February 23, 2013 12:30 PM

bag09,

   These gentlemen are correct, the Lionel 022 is the 031 Radius tubular switch,

the originals are very high grade switches and you can still get parts for them.

K-Line did make a very good low voltage 031 SuperSnap switch, RMT now makes a very similar SuperSnap Switch today.  Remember the old Lionel swithces are not a low voltage switch, and take massive energy to run, I replace all the bulbs with LED's in both the controller and the switch.  If you want a wider radius Tubular,

the original 711 and the early 072 Lionel switches are very high grade also,

the newer ones are not worth owning.

Lee getting your hands on the original K-Line SuperSnap switches is tough, great high quality switches that few people give up, once they own them, the RMT SuperSnap are reported to be very good also.

PCRR/Dave

 

 

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February 23, 2013 4:54 PM

wolverine,

   Because of the way he posted his question it was hard to tell just what he wanted,

so the men gave him several different ways to look at purchasing the switches.

In reality I do believe he wants the 022 Lionel tin plate switch.  However I did advise him of the old 711 or 072, just in case he was was looking for the true 31 radius. 

PCRR/Dave

   

 

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February 23, 2013 5:06 PM

Half of 72 is 36, not 31.

 
 
 
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February 23, 2013 7:07 PM

Yes, the OP mentioned "tubular", which is why I thought he meant 31 inch "diameter" not "radius".

 
 
 
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February 23, 2013 8:06 PM

Thanks for all you forum members that answered my questions.  Your replies were very helpful. Apparently I offended a certain member when I used radius instead of diameter and he or she found my post confusing and had to make it known to everyone. Next time just ask by sending me an email or just ask I would have corrected my post.
 
 
 
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February 23, 2013 9:25 PM

Lionel managed to confuse the matter with O22 and O42 model numbers for switches with O31 curves !

 

 
 
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February 23, 2013 11:17 PM

Is the modern 022 switch made the same as the PW version?  I always had trouple with the lantern tabs breaking off.

 

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February 24, 2013 4:57 AM

Originally Posted by bag09:
Thanks for all you forum members that answered my questions.  Your replies were very helpful. Apparently I offended a certain member when I used radius instead of diameter and he or she found my post confusing and had to make it known to everyone. Next time just ask by sending me an email or just ask I would have corrected my post.

Hoping not to lapse totally into paranoia, and in violation of one of my basic principles (Never complain, never explain) I assume it was my post that upset you.

 

I was not offended whatsoever by your initial post; rather I saw it as an opportunity to try to make a more general point. Perhaps I should have thought better of it.

 

Every  time someone posts on a forum he opens himself up to criticism. Private communications are not the answer  because they violate the most basic principle of a forum: the Q and A's are openly shared so that more than one person can benefit.

 

In this case, I was trying to make the point that well-formulated questions lead to good answers -- and vice-versa. Secondarily, I wanted to illustrate just how complex this hobby has become in the 70+ years that I have been in it.

 

Naturally one must allow for the fact that the person who posts a question is not fully informed or else he wouldn't be asking. I regret the fact that you were "not amused" and have deleted my post, fully realizing that one can never get the toothpaste back in the tube.

 

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February 24, 2013 5:03 AM

Originally Posted by wolverine:
Originally Posted by Pine Creek Railroad:

wolverine,

   Because of the way he posted his question it was hard to tell just what he wanted,

so the men gave him several different ways to look at purchasing the switches.

In reality I do believe he wants the 022 Lionel tin plate switch.  However I did advise him of the old 711 or 072, just in case he was was looking for the true 31 radius. 

PCRR/Dave

   

Dave, I was addressing the forum in general, and particularly any newbies, not you personally, in an attempt to put the issue in context.

 

Edit: This radius-diameter confusion has persisted throughout my 10 years on this forum with no end in sight. 

 

wolverine

 

 
 
 
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February 24, 2013 5:10 AM

Originally Posted by wolverine:
Originally Posted by David Johnston:

Half of 72 is 36, not 31.

Quite true, David. Good catch.

 

So the initial question in this thread boils down to did Lionel ever make a 31 inch radius (62 inch diameter) tubular switch? Edit: Or maybe a 36 inch radius (72 inch diameter) or what?

 

We are confined to tubular, are we not?

 

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February 24, 2013 12:02 PM

Originally Posted by Ace:

Lionel managed to confuse the matter with O22 and O42 model numbers for switches with O31 curves !

Tell me about it, I just learned (by reading this thread) I wasted 35 bucks on a set of "042" switches, thinking they were 042 curves, and I haven't even them gotten in yet! I wonder what drug they were on that day when they decided to give it the most confusing name they could think of. Must have aimed it towards suckers like me.

 
 
 
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February 24, 2013 1:42 PM

Mike, the 0-22 post war and modern switches look the same on the outside, but if you take them apart, you will find that the post war switch is much better built.  If you use both the post war and modern 0-22 switches, you will find that the post wear switches work better.   For several years I have been replacing the modern switches with post war switches.  The modern switches are not cheap, not at least at the listed prices, so good post war switches are available at a competitive price if you keep your eyes open.

 
 
 
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February 24, 2013 4:42 PM

I got my hands on a pair of K-Line 042 manual throw switches at a train show in Deerfield Beach FL. Not sure if I can upgrade them to remote control or not, thinking of using DZ-1000 switch machines inside the switch housings. Also have a pair of 042 K-Line remote control switches, but they are very rusty and I don't think they will work.

 

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