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Okay guys,

 

Last night I hooked up my new Legacy 990 to my Fastrack (using Powerhouse 180). I followed the directions and the black wire is hooked from the Legacy base to the common on my Fastrack.

 

Placed the Lionmaster T-1 on the track (note: I have the non-Legacy TMCC version with Railsounds). Programmed it to be ID 2 (Lionmaster Legacy Big Boy is ID 1). It worked great! Odyssey speed control was nice and smooth. The Cab 2 is set to operated the T-1 in Cab 1 mode.

 

Next I started up an MTH diesel on the same track using the MTH DCS system. Sure enough, both systems worked perfectly on the smae track simultaneously. I turned of the TIU and out the MTH diesel away so I could focus on running only the Lionmaster T-1.

 

As I was operating the T-1, it was a good opportunity to learn some of the features on the Cab 2. I must have punched in some command and now the T-1 will not move forward or backward and I don't know how to fix the glitch. The T-1 starts up fine/ shuts down fine. The bell, whistle and crew talk all work great.

 

The only way I can get the T-1 to move is if I hit the boost button. It starts moving, then takes off like a runaway train. When I take my finger off the boost button, the T-1 slows then stops. 

 

The red dial to make the engine move is having no affect on making the T-1 operate. I turn the dial and the engine just idles, purring as usual.

 

I did attempt to reset the engine. No affect. I changed the engine ID from 2 to 3. Same thing.

 

I read the directions, but I could not find any help.

 

Do any of you experts have any suggestions? I want to run my Pennsey "South Wind" passenger car set tonight.

 

Note: I also programmed the South Wind Stationsounds car. It works great using the Legacy Cab 2 using ID 99.

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Hi guys,

 

I am getting there. The brake control is at the top (minus sign). I put the Cab 2 in TMCC mode. When I select the engine ID the speed limit button is not highlighted. When I press the SPEED button I get the speed icons. The T1 resonds to the icons and runs at the preset speeds.

 

But when I turn the red dial forward, the engine slows down. No matter which way I turn the dia it slows down. It wont speed uP unless I use the preset speed icons. I have no variable speed control. I would like to be able to dial the speed using the red dial.

 

Man, being a newbie is making be sweat!

 

What about your "momentum" setting. these are the L M and H buttons below the dial. For Low Medum and High momentum.

 

Low is quick throttle response Medium and High for slower response to the throttle dial.

 

If you hold down the M button you can "fine tune" the momentum setting to your liking. Really high momentum will result in slow response to the throttle.

 

Last edited by RickO

Hi guys.

 

Momentum set to L.

 

the weird thing is the velocity throttle -- no matter which direction I turn it -- will only slow down the engine. I cannot get the throttle to speed up the engine. Very odd.

 

So for now the T1 can only be speed up using the preset speed icons on found under the SPEED button.

 

Big Boy will have to come out of his box again. I put him away so I can focus on running the T1 and Pennsylvania passenger cars.

Originally Posted by Moonman:

Legacy gurus-would this be the issue?: quote from original post

"Note: I also programmed the South Wind Stationsounds car. It works great using the Legacy Cab 2 using ID 99."

 

Isn't 99 the all ID?

 

Terrence, reprogram the Stationsounds car to another id. Then address T-1 and the throttle.

He stated that the T1 is the TMCC version. I believe the 99/ all ID only applies to Legacy locos.

Originally Posted by MartyE:

BTW I couldn't even assign a TMCC engine to 99. Interesting. 

Yep: I programmed the Station Sounds diner car with ID #99 and it works fine. But the velocity dial on the Cab 2 only SLOWS DOWN the T1 no matter which way I turn the dial. So to run the T1, I hit the SPEED button and select one of the pre-set speed icons to make it run. But when I turn the throttle, the speed slows down either way I turn it. Very bizarre.

 

The T1 settings are: STEAM ENGINE / TMCC / RAILSOUNDS. I also tried running it in Cab 1 mode.

 

I didn't have time last night to test the Lionmaster Legacy Big Boy and today I have to work. I will try it tonight. I will also reprogram the South Wind stationsounds passenger car to a different ID #.

 

I will report tonight when I get home (after dinner).

 

Thanks for all of the advice. I just hope my Legacy 990 system isn't a lemon.

Last edited by Terrence L
Originally Posted by Moonman:

None of this started until you turned off the TIU. Is your track power routed through the TIU?

I don't know why it would be a problem, but it is a factor that changed before the issue came up with the T-1.

I am at work but I have my ipad.

 

You are correct Carl (Moonman). The Powerhouse 180 is banana plugged into the MTH TIU. The TIU is not powered on so the power is simply flowing thru the TIU to the Fastrack.

 

I was able to operate both an MTH diesel using the DCS remote and simultaneously run the Lionel T-1 using the Legcy Cab 2. Now that I think about it, the issue I am having with my Legacy controller and T-1 only started happening AFTER I ran both MTH and Lionel engines simulataneously. But as I understand it, both systems can operate on the same track at the same time.

 

Anyway, when I get home from work I will try running the Legacy Big Boy. I will also try bypassing the TIU and hook up the PH180 directly to the Fastrack.

 

But I hope to be able to operate BOTH Lionel and MTH motives - no just one or the other. 

My standard connection is a couple of PH180 transformers going through the MTH TIU and to the tracks.  The Legacy base is connected directly to one of the outside rails.

 

This arrangement runs MTH and TMCC/Legacy seamlessly at the same time, different times, whatever.

 

Since I have variable channels going to two tracks, I can run conventional when I need to as well, no connection changes.

 

Originally Posted by gunrunnerjohn:

My standard connection is a couple of PH180 transformers going through the MTH TIU and to the tracks.  The Legacy base is connected directly to one of the outside rails.

 

This arrangement runs MTH and TMCC/Legacy seamlessly at the same time, different times, whatever.

 

Since I have variable channels going to two tracks, I can run conventional when I need to as well, no connection changes.

 

My set-up is using a ZW-L and I vary the A and D channels to control conventional locomotives using my Legacy CAB2 or TMCC CAB1 and the TIU is hooked up in passive mode through channels 1 and 2. I am able to run both Legacy/TMCC and DCS on the same tracks at the same time with no issues.

 

Now, my T-1 reverse light in the tender does not go on in reverse but everything else is fine.....

I finally got to test my other Legacy and TMCC engines on my 990 system.

 

The big red velocity dial will not accelerate any of them.

 

The only way to get them to move forward is to select the SPEED button and click one of the pre-set speed icons.

 

Then, with the engine moving forward, when I turn the velocity dial to speed up, the reverse happens: the engine decelerates. WEIRD! It happens on all of the Legacy and TMCC motives that I have. Turning the dial left or right only yields one result: it slows down the engine.

 

It must be a problem with my 990 system.

 

I just emailed Legacy Station to tell them about the problem. I hope they will offer a replacement 990 system.

 

What a bummer. I guess some of the retooled 990s are lemons after all. 

Last edited by Terrence L

UPDATE:

 

Legacy Station will not replace my failed Legacy 990 system. They sent me to Lionel.

 

Lionel diagnosed the issue with me via phone. Their prognosis is the same as ours:

 

I have a bad velocity dial. 

 

Lionel issued a RA number and sent an email for me to ship the unit back to them for repair.

 

What sucks is that because of their recent move, Lionel is backlogged about three weeks on repair projects.

 

I must say Lionel's service rep was a joy to work with. So friendly, helpful and thorough.

 

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So as of now, I ended up with a lemon Legacy unit that will be shipping to Lionel to be repaired. So no Legacy 900 for this train buddy for about a month. 

 

Sad, but true. 

 

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I'll be happy as long as it gets taken care of and I have the 990 back in time for the arrival of my BTO scale Polar Express (which is due to ship in November). 

Originally Posted by cbojanower:

Boo on Legacy Station. Time to search around for others to work with.

Guess we should have asked of the display was changing when you turned the knob. Did you go into the Info menu and change anything in the name or engine setup, the knob should be non functional there as well

That's what the Lionel rep asked me.

 

There was no activity on the display when I turned the velocity knob. 

 

They had me confirm a few settings and had me press a few buttons.

 

In the end, Lionel determined my knob is defective. So back to Lionel my 990 will go.

Originally Posted by cjack:
Originally Posted by cbojanower:

yup, that the real talent in trying to troubleshoot something. You have to avoid the urge to jump to the big giant problem solution and not overlook the basics

 

Our bad

Engineers usually redesign the electronics when a part failure occurs

The red knob (encoder) sounds like it has a pin unsoldered and the output only shows ccw rotation.

Your analysis makes perfect sense. It's probably a 10 minute fix for an expert. For me, the best solution is to have a Lionel techician make the repair.

 

I am trying hard to not allow glitches like this blow the wind out of my sails when it comes to the sport of OGR railroading.

 

When I first got the MTH DCS system, it had to go to MTH for a repair (it took six weeks). Even my Lionmaster Legacy Big Boy (which I purchased brand new) had a defective Odyssey control board.

 

Situations like this seems to come with the hobby. I have learned to cope with it. Now I get it when I read numerous posts about members who exclusively operate in conventional mode. 

 

Despite the occasional problem, my passion for O scale railroading is stronger than ever.

 

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