Locomotives of Long Fallen Flags Still Earning Their Keep

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July 28, 2010 9:30 PM

We were recently treated to a delightful thread discussing extant reminders of the Central Railroad Company of New Jersey. As part of my contribution to this thread, I posted photographs of former CNJ SD40's which still soldier on in everyday service. Folks seemed surprised to learn eight of nine total units remain in operation as of this date. The only unit not to survive, the 3069, was wrecked in a 1975 derailment on Erie Lackawanna. Other than the unlucky 3069, they're all still alive and kicking. Despite upgrades to internal components, that's quite an accomplishment for locomotives delivered in 1967!

After researching the status of CNJ's SD40's, I became curious to see what other still active treasures I could unearth in today's rail scene. Lo and behold, I didn't have to look very long to find my next prize. During the late 60's, Pennsylvania-Reading Seashore Lines took delivery of an order of GP38's to supplement its fleet of aging Baldwins. The 2000 horsepower units served PRSL reliably, eventually being conveyed to Conrail on April 1, 1976. As luck would have it, I have located the former PRSL 2008 still active, albeit a long way from its old stomping grounds in South Jersey. It's currently in service as the Dakota, Minnesota & Eastern 3801 as seen in the linked photo dated June 2010 below:

http://www.rrpicturearchives.n...ture.aspx?id=2118728

A key spotting feature of former PRSL GP38's is an extended cab necessitated by the installation of dual controls for bi-directional operation on PRSL. This extension can be seen by looking immediately ahead of the cab door on the Fireman's side of the locomotive.

I'm sure there are many, many other active locomotives originally ordered by railroads long vanished but not forgotten.

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July 28, 2010 9:37 PM

Old EMD's, like old Macks, never die. A tribute to a solid design.
 

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July 28, 2010 10:31 PM

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July 29, 2010 5:36 AM

In contrast the "Now" view linked above, here's a "Then" look at the 2008 in its original PRSL scheme in March 1976 just prior to the Conrail start up. The unit's extended cab is shown to good advantage in this photograph.

http://www.rrpicturearchives.n...cture.aspx?id=986183

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July 29, 2010 7:52 PM

How about a still active former Pennsylvania Railroad locomotive? Here's the CSX 8881. It was built in 1966 as PRR SD40 6073. Conrail subsequently rebuilt it as its SD40-2R 6991. The unit was then conveyed to CSX as part of the CR split with Norfolk Southern.

http://www.trainweb.org/csxpho...D40-2/8881CSX-bc.jpg

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July 31, 2010 6:36 AM

The Erie Lackawanna spirit lives on in the form of several CSX and NS ex-EL SD45-2's which spend most of their time prowling the jointly owned Conrail Shared Assets territories in New Jersey. I work in Elizabeth and see them on an almost daily bais running up and down the Chemical Coast Secondary. In fact, at present, the NS 1700 is assigned as a switcher around Bayway and has been bringing trash cars across AK to and from Staten Island.

Here's a photo of the EL 3669 as it appeared back in the day:

http://www.rr-fallenflags.org/el/loco/el3669jsa.jpg

And here's how it appears today as the NS 1700:

http://www.rrpicturearchives.n...ture.aspx?id=1536301

Despite some internal modifications, note the units still carry their original custom built 5000 gallon fuel tanks and low profile horns.

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July 31, 2010 12:51 PM

Bob,

Being part of shared assets, is the SD45-2 labeled for the PRR?
 

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July 31, 2010 9:21 PM

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Originally posted by CNJ 3676:

A key spotting feature of former PRSL GP38's is an extended cab necessitated by the installation of dual controls for bi-directional operation on PRSL. This extension can be seen by looking immediately ahead of the cab door on the Fireman's side of the locomotive.

Bob


The controls installed in the PRSL units, and other extended cab units such as the RDG's five SD45's, were not the typical dual controls, where there are two complete control stands. Instead these units have a central control stand [ such as found in contemporary EMD switchers ] where certain key controls, such as throttle, ind and auto brakes, reverser, etc, are mechanically interlocked between both sides of the stand, making it easier for the engineer to move from side to side in the cab [ for visibility reasons ] while making a move.
I believe these installations were referred to as 'duplex' rather than 'dual', at least in some quarters.

In case someone wonders why you'd put this option on an SD45: At the time the Reading upper mgt was thinking of their new "Bee Line Service" opportunities; the U30C's and [ second order of ] C630's also got these duplex stands. In the first year of operation I believe the only time the feature came in handy was when both the Rutherford and Erie Ave turntables were both out of operation -- one due to planned maintenance, the other for a very unplanned reason....

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July 31, 2010 9:54 PM

Jonathan:

The units no longer carry PRR nomenclature; however, here is a photo of the 1703 (ex-EL 3677) prior to being painted in the full Norfolk Southern scheme. It carries PRR sublettering in this view:

http://www.nslocos.com/ns1703.html

Now here is the 1703 again following its repainting. Note the "NS" under the road number or, in three rail O gauge terminology, cab number. Roll Eyes

http://www.nsdash9.com/rosters/1700.html

Steinzeit:

Thanks for the detailed post. Indeed, evidence of RDG running its big second generation power long hood forward is rather hard to come by. I believe Dale Woodland's book on Reading's second generation diesels has a photo of an SD45 operating in such a configuration.

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August 1, 2010 1:12 AM

I know many Milwaukee Road locomotives ended up on the Soo Line and survived into Canadian Pacific markings. In some cases the old paint schemes on the Soo are faded and you can see the Milwaukee markings. They are called bandits.

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August 1, 2010 2:52 AM

MUEagle:

Here's one for you. Former Milwaukee Road F7's 81A and 81C have been operating in shortline service for a number of years. I photographed them running in Gettysburg Railway passenger service in the late 90's. They then moved to Ohio Central and were subsequently sold to Aberdeen, Carolina & Western.

For starters, here's the 81A at Tacoma in 1975:

http://www.railpictures.net/viewphoto.php?id=263047

Here's a view of it at Gettysburg in 1998:

http://www.rrpicturearchives.n...cture.aspx?id=157214

A look at the unit as the Ohio Central 1000 in 2004:

http://www.rrpicturearchives.n...icture.aspx?id=37640

A view of the locomotive as the Aberdeen, Carolina & Western 4500 in 2007:

http://www.rrpicturearchives.n...ture.aspx?id=1189634

(Note the ACWR lettering toward the nose of the unit.)

The ACWR 4501 is the last unit in the consist. It is the former MILW 81C. It and the 81A have been traveling partners in their post Milwaukee Road careers.

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August 2, 2010 12:41 PM

The NJ Transit 4303 is the former New York Central 3008. It is a GP40 upgraded to Dash 2 specifications.

http://www.railpictures.net/viewphoto.php?id=314032

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August 2, 2010 1:10 PM

There is a reason why there are still a LOT of EMD 40-series locomotives still running today. The GP40 and SD40 were two of the best diesel locomotive designs of all time. EMD got it right with those models and may not have done better since.

The 40-series contemporaries, the GE U-Boats and DASH-7's, did not fare so well. They are extremely rare these days, and for a good reason. The GE's of the 60's and 70's were not well designed and required a lot more maintenance than did the EMD's of that era. When the GE's ran they did fine and some say a U30C could out pull an SD40. The problem was keeping the GE's running long enough to find out!
 

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August 2, 2010 6:37 PM

Rich,

How right you are about the EMD's from the 38 thru 40-2 model block. Although the SD60's on UP have outlasted their contemporary models of GE. Witness UP/CNW C40-8's to Canada. We know what a dog the 50 series was but the 60's are still toiling along and if I had my druthers, I'd take the SD60 Spartan cab over the SD40-2, but that's just me.

I'm enjoy this thread and saw Rich had posted and thought for sure he was going to post about his NKP steam engine out still running the rails after the NKP was put to bed in the history books. Big Grin
 
 
 
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August 2, 2010 7:17 PM

Regarding Rich's comment about the pulling potential of the U30C, one evening in 1979 I was firing for a former Pennsy Engineer who was the consumate professional. He had tremendous passion for railroading, enjoyed talking locomotives and was always very accomodating of me and my youthful enthusiasm.

As we finished up our switching, our topic of conversation turned to ALCo's six axle Century units. He remarked when they were right they could out pull anything on the railroad but if they weren't right, and I have edited his exact statement in the interest of preserving the family oriented nature of the forum, they couldn't pull a blankety-blank off a blankety-blank. The combination of his wording, delivery and the resulting image of a Century attempting to do what he said had me laughing hysterically for the first half hour of the trip. Then my laughing got him going and the Head Brakeman who joined us in the cab after the fact thought we were both losing it. From that moment on, every time I saw a big ALCo I cracked up. To this day, people wonder why I laugh when I see one in a book or on a video. Big Grin

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August 2, 2010 8:33 PM

CEFX (CIT/Capital Finance, Inc.) GP38-2 406 started life as a GP38 built for Louisville & Nashville in 1970. Its L&N road number was 4019.

Then (1972):

http://www.rrpicturearchives.n...cture.aspx?id=698124

Now:

http://www.rrpicturearchives.n...cture.aspx?id=778344

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August 2, 2010 11:52 PM

quote:
Originally posted by CNJ 3676:
MUEagle:

Here's one for you. Former Milwaukee Road F7's 81A and 81C have been operating in shortline service for a number of years. I photographed them running in Gettysburg Railway passenger service in the late 90's. They then moved to Ohio Central and were subsequently sold to Aberdeen, Carolina & Western.

For starters, here's the 81A at Tacoma in 1975:

http://www.railpictures.net/viewphoto.php?id=263047

Here's a view of it at Gettysburg in 1998:

http://www.rrpicturearchives.n...cture.aspx?id=157214

A look at the unit as the Ohio Central 1000 in 2004:

http://www.rrpicturearchives.n...icture.aspx?id=37640

A view of the locomotive as the Aberdeen, Carolina & Western 4500 in 2007:

http://www.rrpicturearchives.n...ture.aspx?id=1189634

(Note the ACWR lettering toward the nose of the unit.)

The ACWR 4501 is the last unit in the consist. It is the former MILW 81C. It and the 81A have been traveling partners in their post Milwaukee Road careers.

Enjoy,

Bob


Good to see I'm sorta recognized for a photo (the OHCR 1000 shot from 2004 - I took during Train Festival 2004). Big Grin

I've always wondered if Jerry would buy those units back for his collection, now that he no longer owns the OHCR system... as far as I'm aware, the ACWR planned to repaint the engines into ACWR livery and run them on business trains, but it appears they haven't moved in awhile.
 

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August 3, 2010 12:39 AM

quote:
Originally posted by CNJ 3676:
The NJ Transit 4303 is the former New York Central 3008. It is a GP40 upgraded to Dash 2 specifications.

http://www.railpictures.net/viewphoto.php?id=314032

Bob


Bob,

That is one AMAZING image.

It seems the -40 series continue to earn their keep pretty soon they'll be turning in more years of service than even the GG1's in NJCL service. That is a record not easily surpassed. The proof in the GE's is clear in the U34CH's going to pasture less than 30 years in service.

While not nearly as old, the F40's seem to still be holding their own for now, but the Amtrak sure got their monies worth out of the original ones.

In fact here is a former Amtrak F40 in Grand Canyon Railway service. It has been reclassified as F40-FH and uses a generator car. This was from the original order of Amtrak F40's as Amtrak 239 prior to becoming GCRY 239.

 

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August 3, 2010 3:59 AM

Every running steam engine in the US could be on this list but how about more impressive the number of steam engines still running from companies that have not fallen?

New Hope and Ivyland's #40, a 2-8-0 survivor of the Lancaster and Chester.

Strasburg's #90, a 2-10-0 survivor from the Great Western in CO.

Several Canadian National steam engines, as well as a few CP units.

Sadly... I believe as of last year, we can no longer count the McCloud River Railroad as it's steam engines now by a year outlived it's owners.

Of course, there are #844 and #3985, or should I say, thankfully, we can thank UP for keeping both on the current roster.

I suppose we can count 3 QJ's in the midwest as their original flag is still in existence, even if the flag is red.

Any others?

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August 3, 2010 5:43 AM

Jonathan:

Thanks for the photo of the F40. With the retirement of the Amtrak fleet, the F40 has become the topic of many a conversation within preservation circles.

Mitch:

Black River & Western's former Great Western 2-8-0 60 hasn't operated in a number of years but is due to return to service soon.

http://www.rr-fallenflags.org/misc-b/brw-s60brc.jpg

NYS&W 2-8-2 142 is no longer on the railroad's roster but continues in operation thanks to the efforts of the NYS&W Technical and Historical Society.

http://www.rr-fallenflags.org/nysw/nysw-s142bth.jpg

Back to diesels, here's a gem of a find. The Lehigh & New England Railroad ceased to exist as an independent carrier in 1961. Remarkably, an authentic LNE locomotive has continued to serve many years since then, albeit in relative obscurity, as ex-LNE ALCo S2 611 has been busy switching the facility of Emporia Grain in Emporia, IN. Information regarding the former 611 is very limited although the most recent update I was able to locate reports the unit for sale due to mechanical difficulties caused by a troublesome generator. Clearly this is a locomotive worthy of preservation.

http://madisonrails.railfan.net/1998/scan0015_a.jpg

http://madisonrails.railfan.net/1998/scan0014_a.jpg

A genuine Lehigh & New England diesel locomotive will be a hard act to follow.

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August 3, 2010 9:29 AM

Bob,

I agree that an LN&E loco would be tough to follow. How about another one? Any surviving power off the NYO&W?
 

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August 3, 2010 12:23 PM

The former O&W 116, an NW2, is presently in Arkville, NY on the Ulster & Delaware Railroad. Here's a link to a page with some images and information regarding the unit:

http://www.nyow.org/Articles/NW2_116/116.html

I believe other O&W diesels, including GE 44 tonners and additional NW2's, are extant as well. I'll see if I can locate photos.

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August 3, 2010 12:52 PM

Speaking of switchers - here's a little known survivor of the Great Northern.

Located at the A.E. Staley plant in Morrisville, PA, one can find a former EMD NW3 hard at work in 2010:

A.E. Staley Manufacturing's NW3

Back to steam - Western Maryland Scenic #734 and former Ohio Central #33, both of Lake Superior and Ishpeming Railway heritage.

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August 3, 2010 1:53 PM

A Western Pacific GP7 is still running in Arizona on a short line. Most of the WP GP35's are spread out across the west on short lines and some of WP's original GP40's are on Wisconsin Central still. UP rosters WP GP40-2's and SW1500's. WP Alco’s ran for a long time on the ST&E, up till a yr ago. So the railroad I hired out on is still represented quite well, beside the collection of WP units at the museum in Portola CA. WP has been gone almost 30 yrs now. Frown
 
 
 
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August 3, 2010 7:32 PM

Greg Elems, this diesel's for you. Smile

Western Pacific GP35 3019 was delivered to the railroad in 1965. Here it is at Stockton, CA in 1972:

http://www.rrpicturearchives.n...cture.aspx?id=390761

Yes, the WP 3019 is still with us. It is now WAMX (Watco) GP35R 3511.

http://www.rrpicturearchives.n...ture.aspx?id=1554308

Greg, can you recall if you ever ran the 3019?

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August 4, 2010 2:44 AM

Bob,

I probably did, as a UP7##. We used them as yard engines and on locals till UP retired them. Thanks for the memories.

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August 4, 2010 5:56 AM

In 1961, Rock Island took delivery of GP18 1353. Here it is in 1971:

http://www.rrpicturearchives.n...cture.aspx?id=104939

Here's the unit almost fifty years later in 2010 still turning a wheel. The locomotive is now the Florida Central Railroad 59. It is pictured powering a Florida Rail Adventures passenger train to an Orlando Magic basketball game.

http://www.rrpicturearchives.n...ture.aspx?id=1950461

The 59 looks great for a machine about to celebrate its 50th birthday!

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August 4, 2010 10:28 AM

A recent Arizona favorite of mine is this Arizona Eastern E8 , running out of tiny Globe, AZ.

It is former Metra 515, ex CNW 515 and nee CNW 5029B.

You have to love the lives these E8's have had.
 

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August 4, 2010 12:19 PM

Jonathan:

Thanks for the picture of the AZER E8. The paint scheme is stunning.

Since you had asked in an earlier post about surviving NYO&W power, I located a page which discusses the status of the former O&W 101 and 105. It's very interesting reading.

http://www.nyow.org/nyow_101.html

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August 4, 2010 6:57 PM

GP38-2 2010 looks like just another Kansas City Southern locomotive in this recent photograph:

http://www.rrpicturearchives.n...ture.aspx?id=1784504

It was a quite a different story in 1975 when the unit, then the Boston & Maine 200, was painted to celebrate the nation's upcoming Bicentennial.

http://www.rrpicturearchives.n...ture.aspx?id=2160962

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August 4, 2010 7:53 PM

Point of order! Does the B&M still technically exist as a corporate entity under PanAm ..... *cough* ..... I mean Guilford, or did they finally merge all those NE railroad holdings into one giant maintenance deferred corporation? Smile

Bob - great thread. This is really very, very interesting stuff.
 

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August 5, 2010 5:49 AM

Good point, Jonathan. Technically speaking, Boston & Maine is a subsidiary of Pan Am. It, along with Maine Central, is operated under contract by another PAR road, Springfield Terminal. That said, I just can't equate the old B&M with what exists today. It's just plain wrong. Here's something you'll find entertaining: One of my favorite videos is a Highball Productions program titled "Springfield Terminal." While I'm no fan of Guilford, its locomotive roster was quite varied. All kinds of things from U18B's, high nose SD45's, SD40's, GP9's and former ATSF SD26's show up on the video. As a matter of fact, this DVD is in my player right now. Smile

We haven't discussed Reading survivors yet so here's freshly built GP39-2 3420 on its way east from EMD in 1974:

http://www.rrpicturearchives.n...cture.aspx?id=555654

Upon the creation of Conrail in 1976, the 3420 was among a group of Reading and Lehigh Valley locomotives conveyed to Delaware & Hudson which had been granted expanded trackage rights in an effort to maintain competitive balance. Here's the unit still wearing its RDG paint, albeit with D&H reporting marks:

http://www.rrpicturearchives.n...ture.aspx?id=2046774

It was eventually repainted into full D&H colors:

http://www.rrpicturearchives.n...cture.aspx?id=236295

It was then assimilated into Guilford:

http://www.rrpicturearchives.n...ture.aspx?id=1960886

The next stop was CSX. Here's the unit still in Guilford colors but with its new CSX number:

http://www.rrpicturearchives.n...icture.aspx?id=19185

Now that's better:

http://www.rrpicturearchives.n...ture.aspx?id=1759707

And here's the 4308 as it appears today - looking very fine I might add:

http://www.rrpicturearchives.n...ture.aspx?id=2143821

I guess this could be considered the equivalent of locomotive genealogy. Big Grin

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August 5, 2010 3:01 PM

The venerable CF7, Santa Fe's leveraging of it's F-Unit fleet for road switcher duties. They're still in service on some branch lines and scenic roads. If only we could have one mass-produced in O scale.
 

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August 5, 2010 5:24 PM

I haven't found all the photos yet, but another AZ railroad, the colorful Arizona & California has several SD40M's that were rebuilt from SD45's.

The most interesting lineage is road number 4003 which was ex-TFM 1505, ex-HATX SD45-2 903, ex CSXT 8966, ex-SBD 8966, ex SCL 8966 and finally ex-Clinchfield Railroad 3608. I'll spend some time hunting down that collection of photos later on this evening.

Another two oddballs on the roster are GP40d built as B&0 GP40 3705 and GP38AC originally built for the Illinois Central and traveled through the Katy and UP before coming to Arizona.
 

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August 6, 2010 5:45 AM

Even though thrity years have passed since the St. Louis-San Francisco Railway, a.k.a. the Frisco, merged with Burlington Northern, former SLSF power still roams the rails.

VO1000 202 was deliverd to SLSF by Baldwin Locomotive Works in 1941. In an attempt to extend the service life of the 202 and sister units, the locomotive's Baldwin prime mover was replaced by an EMD engine in 1957.

The 202 as it is was in 1968:

http://www.rr-fallenflags.org/slsf/slsf202.jpg

And again in 1978:

http://www.rrpicturearchives.n...cture.aspx?id=370510

Happily, sixty-nine years following its construction and fifty-three years after it received an EMD engine, the former SLSF 202 remains very active. It currently serves on the U.S. Navy's NWS Earle Railroad which operates between Colts Neck and Leonardo, NJ. The locomotive carries USN serial number 65-00368 and Earle road number 2. The Earle Railroad, along with other military rail facilities, gained notoriety for its operation of locomotives built by Baldwin and other minority builders well past those of common carriers. In fact, the Navy operated units of orginal Baldwin construction at Earle well into the 1980's.

Here's the former SLSF 202 as it appears today:

http://baldwindiesels.railfan.net/usn/65-00368-2a.jpg

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August 6, 2010 7:01 PM

The former SLSF 201 is also at Earle.

Here it is in 1968:

http://www.rr-fallenflags.org/slsf/slsf201.jpg

And as the USN 65-00367, Earle 1:

http://baldwindiesels.railfan.net/usn/65-00367-2b.jpg

The 65-00367 ran on yesterday's road job to Leonardo.

Former Chicago & North Western power is represented on Earle's roster as well.
The USN 65-00636, Earle 7 is the ex-CNW 145.

The 145 in 1978:

http://www.rrpicturearchives.n...cture.aspx?id=101570

The unit as it appears today:

http://www.rrpicturearchives.n...cture.aspx?id=321881

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August 7, 2010 6:43 AM

Two former Nickel Plate Road GP18's are active on the roster of the Georgia Northeastern Railroad. The NKP 701 was delivered in 1960 and is seen here at Cleveland in 1961:

http://www.railpictures.net/vi...6538&nocomments=true

Here it is as the GNRR 8704:

http://www.rrpicturearchives.n...cture.aspx?id=851275

The GNRR 8705, delivered to NKP in 1960 as its 708, is pictured post N&W/NKP/Wabash merger as the N&W 2708:

http://www.rr-fallenflags.org/nw/nw2708ads.jpg

Here's the unit as the GNRR 8705:

http://www.rrpicturearchives.n...ture.aspx?id=1866611

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August 8, 2010 6:37 AM

As of 2010, SMS Rail Services in Bridgeport, NJ is the last North American railroad operating a sizeable fleet of Baldwin diesel locomotives in regular service.

One of its units, SMS DS4-4-1000 302, is the former Pennsylvania Railroad 9069 delivered to PRR in 1949. SMS has restored the 302 to its historically accurate appearance as the PRR 9069. The locomotive can be seen operating in this livery today. Not only does the unit possess a fallen flag heritage, it still carries the fallen flag!

http://www.railpictures.net/vi...php?id=208551&nseq=3

http://www.railpictures.net/vi...php?id=214695&nseq=1

Now you know where to go if you want to see an authentic Pennsy diesel in regular service. Smile

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August 8, 2010 7:08 PM

Chicago Burlington and Quincy GP40 170 was built in December 1966.

Here's the 170 in service for its original owner in 1969:

http://www.rrpicturearchives.n...cture.aspx?id=129106

As the Burlington Northern 3000:

http://www.rrpicturearchives.n...cture.aspx?id=153327

And as it appears today as the BNSF 3008:

http://www.rrpicturearchives.n...ture.aspx?id=1782443

Bob
 
 
 
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