Looking for tips or advices for the early Williams Dreyfuss Hudson to run

Tiffany, FYI to duplcate the black stripe with white letters above no painting is required. The whole strip is a decal. Evans Hobbycal has a white background. Its made to be used with an inkjet printer.

Simply create the text above in you favorite word processor, reverse the text and background colors and print. The printer will apply the black ink leaving the lettering white.  Then cut out the strips.

Pete

Norton posted:

Tiffany, FYI to duplcate the black stripe with white letters above no painting is required. The whole strip is a decal. Evans Hobbycal has a white background. Its made to be used with an inkjet printer.

Simply create the text above in you favorite word processor, reverse the text and background colors and print. The printer will apply the black ink leaving the lettering white.  Then cut out the strips.

Pete

Hello Pete.....

Is it possible someone makes a foil tape with color background and "New York Central" printed on the foil strips ?  Then all have to do is cut each strip and stick it on the body of the passenger car ?   Like the postwar days as a preproduction foil strips ?

"Everyone who drinks this water will be thirsty again. But anyone who drinks the water I give will never be thirsty again." John 4:13-14 ERV (easy to read version)

Tiffany

Hello guys and gals

I posted pictures of the latest work done on the Hudson a day or two ago and so far NO "likes" or "comments" of any kind ?  This Hudson must have been the very first early production in 1984 so it will have a lot of bugs in it just like a first model year new car being made and full of bugs in it.  It has been corrected and or fixed the problems (most of it so far).  When it all done, it will be a good "simple trouble free runner" like the postwar trains were of yesteryear.  That is why I am going through all this trouble to see if it can be done and so far it is coming out well.

"Jesus answered, Everyone who drinks this water will be thirsty again.  But anyone who drinks the water I give will never be thirsty again. The water I give people will be like a spring flowing inside them.  It will bring them eternal life." John 4:13-14 ERV (easy to read version)         

*Some bibles writers remove fully texted words or leave out which of course upsets me as I have to check it and correct the mistakes writers do before posting them in here. *

Tiffany

E-UNIT-79 posted:

Looks great and now you have a model you can be proud of.

Hello E-unit-79

Thank you for your kind words .  I am half way done and probably will paint the engine, tender in April. I wondered who make the best LED type bulb (bayonet base) for the Williams aluminum cars ?

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Tiffany

Hi Tiffany:  I answered this on the Lionel/Williams passenger car question, but I'll repeat it here- Town and Country Hobbies have bayonet and screw base bulbs in bright white, warm white (matches postwar Lionel), and red & green, they are available singly and in packs of 50. I can't remember the price. I use them and have no complaints, and will be buying more at York next month. Buy a couple just to see if you like them.

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artyoung posted:

Hi Tiffany:  I answered this on the Lionel/Williams passenger car question, but I'll repeat it here- Town and Country Hobbies have bayonet and screw base bulbs in bright white, warm white (matches postwar Lionel), and red & green, they are available singly and in packs of 50. I can't remember the price. I use them and have no complaints, and will be buying more at York next month. Buy a couple just to see if you like them.

Hello artyoung

Can you give me the link or web address, thanks. (Up-date) never mind, found the link thanks again

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Tiffany

Hello guys and gals........

I will post more pictures of the Pittman motor and Dallee E-unit and wiring installation soon as I been really busy this week.  Does anyone have a working Williams smoke unit with the board you like to get rid of as I would like to put it in my Hudson and do the fitting before painting.   I like mild smoking not heavy like the fan driven types as heavy smoking affects my breathing due to heavy asthma I have so must use machine for asthma attacks so fan driven smoke units are out.   This engine has 77.4 inch drivers so like to run it kind of fast 80 or so scale miles per hour like the real one does with the 6 car aluminum passenger set.  I will be getting a 11.5 to 1 ratio gearbox from NWSL soon but will use the one that came with the engine for now and Pittman motor speed is about 6400 RPM's @12 volts.

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Tiffany

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Hello guys and gals.

It been almost a long 2 weeks , almost busy everyday whew !!!!!!!! I been working very hard on this Hudson ( hardest part is stripping the tough 33 year old paint off) and got sick from the fumes of the stripper in last few days. The paint stripper is very toxic and expensive too. I had to buy 2 cans worth at total of 16 dollars and change but hope to never ever use this nasty stuff again and it did a very good job results.  I installed the Dallee board and Pittman motor , did the wiring work adding the fire box LED flickering light in orange color (Way cool !!!) and very bright 5MM LED for headlight !  Since the Williams passenger cars are Lionel copies so I added on a water scoop under the tender just like the Postwar streamliner tenders have.  It really looks good on this brass tender.  This engine really looks old school.  I am still working on the air compressors for this engine and other works still need to be done before painting. The painting will be done as the weather permits as its suppose to rain pretty much this week so will have to wait until next week hopefully.   I purchased 10 feet of Lionel "super flex" wire and 18 volt LED bayonet base bulbs for the 6 aluminum passenger cars ( Did the Vista Dome car last week with flex wire and LED bulbs) will take photos of the cars soon.  It will be a very nice "postwar" style " train.  Here are in the photos folks...

 

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Terrific progress on your Hudson!  With regards to the smoke unit, the Hudson originally came with a Seuthe smoke unit.  I have 2 engines that use these units.  They produce a lower volume of smoke that is not as offensive and may be what you are looking for.  My big piece of advice however is to only use the smoke fluid that is recommended for these units.  The usual smoke fluids burn too hot and will burn out the unit (I found that out the hard way!).  Other retailers may offer these units and fluid, but I purchased mine from DCC Trains.  Here is a link for both the replacement units and fluid:  

http://www.dcctrain.com/shop/s...ds&search=seuthe

Best of luck in your project - it looks great and nice work!

- Rob S

rjsmithindy posted:

Terrific progress on your Hudson!  With regards to the smoke unit, the Hudson originally came with a Seuthe smoke unit.  I have 2 engines that use these units.  They produce a lower volume of smoke that is not as offensive and may be what you are looking for.  My big piece of advice however is to only use the smoke fluid that is recommended for these units.  The usual smoke fluids burn too hot and will burn out the unit (I found that out the hard way!).  Other retailers may offer these units and fluid, but I purchased mine from DCC Trains.  Here is a link for both the replacement units and fluid:  

http://www.dcctrain.com/shop/s...ds&search=seuthe

Best of luck in your project - it looks great and nice work!

Hello rjsmithindy

Thank you for your kind words, it has made my day today !    I have 2 more things that needed to be done before painting which is #1, adding boiler weight to the front of the engine to "balance the engine" so that the front first driver will have same amount of weight as the rear third driver for better tracking over the switches and crossings as right now the engine is "rear" heavy ,"light" front.  And # 2, make mounts for the 2 cast metal air compressors from Bowser as this Hudson didn't come with those.   Thank you for the link of the smoke unit as it is just what I been looking for.

"And it shall be, that just as the Lord rejoice over you to do you good and multiply you, so the Lord will rejoice over you to destroy you and bring you to nothing: and you shall be plucked from off the land which you go to possess.  Deuteronomy 28:63 NKJV (New King James Version)

Tiffany

sncf231e posted:

I follow this thread with interest. It is looking very good until now!

Regards

Fred

Hello Fred.....

Thank you for your kind words, it helps   I wonder how to paint the inside of the cab and is not removable using the rattle can spray paint ?

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Tiffany

 

Hi Tiffany,

That's nice work.

Do follow rjsmithindy's advice on the smoke fluid.  It is somewhat thinner than water.  And check for this.  Was there a board connected to the smoke unit?  The ones we used at Right of Way had to be run on 5 volts.

As far as the cab goes you could use swabs and lacquer thinner but it still would be a lot of work.  

Looking forward (as you are I'm sure) to seeing the finished product.

Lou N

Hello guys and gals.......

I am still working on the cylinder and air compressors (painting) and will soon post the pictures as the weather has been crazy but waiting for the right conditions for painting so hang on guys...  I am not finish yet but refuse to give up !!

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Tiffany

rjsmithindy posted:

Terrific progress on your Hudson!  With regards to the smoke unit, the Hudson originally came with a Seuthe smoke unit.  I have 2 engines that use these units.  They produce a lower volume of smoke that is not as offensive and may be what you are looking for.  My big piece of advice however is to only use the smoke fluid that is recommended for these units.  The usual smoke fluids burn too hot and will burn out the unit (I found that out the hard way!).  Other retailers may offer these units and fluid, but I purchased mine from DCC Trains.  Here is a link for both the replacement units and fluid:  

http://www.dcctrain.com/shop/s...ds&search=seuthe

Best of luck in your project - it looks great and nice work!

Hello rjsmithindy

I am interesting putting one in but not sure in how to control the voltage to not go over the 10/14 volt range.  Is there a board to control the voltage to 12 volts max. to the smoke unit ?   I t may require the voltage up to 14 volts to get the train up to speed to say about 60 to 80 scale MPH ( passenger train speed) ?  Any ideas as I do want to put the Seuthe unit # 6  (10/14 volt AC/DC) model in this Hudson.

Thank you for your kind words sir !

Tiffany

Hi Tiffany, the engine originally came with a seuthe unit in the smoke stack.  If the engine was hardly run (as I seem to recall earlier in the post), you may want to just purchase the fluid for now and test the original unit. Otherwise, if a new one is preferred or needed, I would consult with the retailer for the best unit to purchase.  I did the same several years ago, and they were able to direct me to the best purchase.  Unfortunately I am unable to locate any receipts, etc., or I would share which I had purchased.

- Rob S

rjsmithindy posted:

Hi Tiffany, the engine originally came with a seuthe unit in the smoke stack.  If the engine was hardly run (as I seem to recall earlier in the post), you may want to just purchase the fluid for now and test the original unit. Otherwise, if a new one is preferred or needed, I would consult with the retailer for the best unit to purchase.  I did the same several years ago, and they were able to direct me to the best purchase.  Unfortunately I am unable to locate any receipts, etc., or I would share which I had purchased.

Hello rjsmithindy

When I received the engine , it didn't have headlight bulb or smoke unit not even a boiler weight but just a reverse unit in the tender and motor , gearbox in the engine that's it.   It was pretty much bare bones !!!!!!!  I think it must have been a very early first production run.  The smoke stack hole on top of the boiler is big enough for Seuthe smoke unit so that is good news (no cutting required) !!

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Tiffany

Rob, the engine was never run, not one inch. It just didn't run out of the box. Not sure if it had a smoke unit. What it did do as Tiffany found out is fall apart. They made a second run of these engines that were much better. Tiffany, I think I have a weight out of an old Lionel engine if you still need one I will send it. Don

scale rail posted:

Rob, the engine was never run, not one inch. It just didn't run out of the box. Not sure if it had a smoke unit. What it did do as Tiffany found out is fall apart. They made a second run of these engines that were much better. Tiffany, I think I have a weight out of an old Lionel engine if you still need one I will send it. Don

Aloha Don !!!!!!!!

That would be nice but if it cost 45 dollars to ship it then its better to NOT ship it.   I never thought it would cost such a arm and leg to ship from Hawaii !!!  If it is CHEAP to ship it then thank you as I can use the weight for this Hudson.  This time the Hudson is no longer falling apart so far so good.

Thank you, Don

Tiffany

Hello guys and gals.......

Oh boy its been a very busy weekend and first day of the week.  I have done some more work on the Hudson such as installing the LED's for the trail end roof of the Observation car and adding brass washers as a spacer between the siderods and the main rod.  I think it looks better as to fill in the huge gap between them.  The boiler screw is tiny bit too short as if its loosen by a half a turn then the whole chassis will fall out so I got some 4-40 by 1 1/4 inch long and retapped the hole to 4-40 size.  The original screw is 1 inch long, better safe than sorry to have a broken chassis from the floor.  I thought of a idea to use a short piece of PCV pipe and fill it with fishing weights to get a few OZ of weight as a boiler weight ( I haven't gotten the fishing weights yet).  Its almost done then painting is next as the weather permits (again) so here are the photos........

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Tiffany

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