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 I believe only the GE's have the better looking mu hoses?

On those, you can cut the opening wider towards the center and bottom to allow the hoses to sit better.

 The EMDs that I have, have the older fatter hoses that don't flex well. I wouldn't bother trying to make fit. You need to replace those with aftermarket ones.

 I believe MTH should equip their engines with better snow plows now. Look at posts here on the OGR to see how they've done it.

https://ogrforum.ogaugerr.com/topic/mth-ns-sd70ace

I was thinking someone said MTH had fixed this problem, guess not? I just got out a new ES44AC (#20-20285-1) a week or so ago and while it has more flexible hoses the plow still doesn't fit with the hoses either in or out and it seems to also render the coupler cut bar useless. Would be interested in hearing what they tell you about it, please post back with your reply from MTH. Seems like sometimes these are installable and fit and sometimes not? I'll have to look to see which ones I have with an installable plow? I am not sure any of them fit with the hoses going through the plow openings though?

 

Also, a bit off subject (could possibly be related?), but does anyone know where the 2 small wire objects in the small plastic bag included with this engine are supposed to go? They kind of look like grab irons to me, but I can't figure out what they are for? I am prototypically challenged so go easy on me here. 

Because they still cater to 3 rail/swinging pilot crowds. Those details dont matter to most people. When the few of us that do complain about it, falls on deaf ears! Just like the 44 tonner not being available with scale wheels and fixed pilots..... THEY DON'T CARE.

We that do care, spend the time to replace the stuff with PSC parts. Everyone else is happy with toy trains, and they are in the majority.
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Originally Posted by rtr12:

I was thinking someone said MTH had fixed this problem, guess not? I just got out a new ES44AC (#20-20285-1) a week or so ago and while it has more flexible hoses the plow still doesn't fit with the hoses either in or out and it seems to also render the coupler cut bar useless. Would be interested in hearing what they tell you about it, please post back with your reply from MTH. Seems like sometimes these are installable and fit and sometimes not? I'll have to look to see which ones I have with an installable plow? I am not sure any of them fit with the hoses going through the plow openings though?

 

Also, a bit off subject (could possibly be related?), but does anyone know where the 2 small wire objects in the small plastic bag included with this engine are supposed to go? They kind of look like grab irons to me, but I can't figure out what they are for? I am prototypically challenged so go easy on me here. 

I think you will find those parts are grab irons that attach to the end of the radiator wing and the end of the long hood.

 

On the issue of MU hoses and snowplows, pretty much all the newer diesels, including EMD models, have the finer hoses, but the place where they are mounted on the pilot is still out of line with the plow. 

 

There was a time when MTH listened to us about these things and often fixed them. I don't think that's the case any longer. The days of newly-tooled diesels, upgrades of older models to better trucks and fixed pilots, and these kinds of detail improvements are pretty much behind us.

 

RM

What I do not understand if you are worried about the plow and hoses, why are you not complaining about the handrails? "Handrails-on-a-stick"!

Even the Alco's, the handrails are built to 3 rail specks, under the frame mounting!

Premier mth is nothing more than 3 rail bodies with "scale" wheels and 2-railers are suckered into thinking they are gettin good 2-rail quality product.  Mth does not care about 2-railers expectations as this has been proven over the years. just the way it is! Stephen

Originally Posted by Engineer-Joe:

  Look at posts here on the OGR to see how they've done it.

https://ogrforum.ogaugerr.com/topic/mth-ns-sd70ace

 

Thanks Engineer-Joe I looked at that thread and it had good info. If we want to do the mu hoses I wonder if it has to be the Atlas GP-35 ones? Those are not available on the Atlas web site.

 

The other part he mentions is the Berkshire Valley air hose. He calls

it Part #314 but what I find is Part #164-314. That must be it. The chain that would hold the air hose is Precision Scale Part #48472.

 

So we need to find some replacement mu hoses when the Atlas GP35 ones aren't available? Any thoughts?

 

Thanks.

 

Chuck

Originally Posted by nw2124:

       

What I do not understand if you are worried about the plow and hoses, why are you not complaining about the handrails? "Handrails-on-a-stick"!

Even the Alco's, the handrails are built to 3 rail specks, under the frame mounting!

Premier mth is nothing more than 3 rail bodies with "scale" wheels and 2-railers are suckered into thinking they are gettin good 2-rail quality product.  Mth does not care about 2-railers expectations as this has been proven over the years. just the way it is! Stephen




       

You are absolutely correct, but its not as obvious as the snow plow, hoses, and pilots in general as most photos are usually taken from the front of the locomotive. When the MU hoses stick out at a weird angle, off to the side..... it looks ridiculous. And its an easy fix for the manufacturer.
Originally Posted by Rich Montague:
Originally Posted by rtr12:

I was thinking someone said MTH had fixed this problem, guess not? I just got out a new ES44AC (#20-20285-1) a week or so ago and while it has more flexible hoses the plow still doesn't fit with the hoses either in or out and it seems to also render the coupler cut bar useless. Would be interested in hearing what they tell you about it, please post back with your reply from MTH. Seems like sometimes these are installable and fit and sometimes not? I'll have to look to see which ones I have with an installable plow? I am not sure any of them fit with the hoses going through the plow openings though?

 

Also, a bit off subject (could possibly be related?), but does anyone know where the 2 small wire objects in the small plastic bag included with this engine are supposed to go? They kind of look like grab irons to me, but I can't figure out what they are for? I am prototypically challenged so go easy on me here. 

I think you will find those parts are grab irons that attach to the end of the radiator wing and the end of the long hood.

 

On the issue of MU hoses and snowplows, pretty much all the newer diesels, including EMD models, have the finer hoses, but the place where they are mounted on the pilot is still out of line with the plow. 

 

There was a time when MTH listened to us about these things and often fixed them. I don't think that's the case any longer. The days of newly-tooled diesels, upgrades of older models to better trucks and fixed pilots, and these kinds of detail improvements are pretty much behind us.

 

RM

Thanks, I looked around the engine, but my eyes are not too good any more and didn't see where they might fit on the engine. Will look again in the spots you mentioned.

 

I have noticed the snow plow issue on (I think all or at least most all of) my MTH diesels. Seems like they all use the same plow and have the same problems on each engine. You would think they could easily just re-make the plow so it fits? Maybe someone at MTH should try installing one? I have only been back in the hobby for about 3 years or so and it's been a problem the whole time.

 

To nw2124 about the hand rails, as I said, I'm pretty much prototypically challenged and the hand rails seem to me to be fitting ok so I wouldn't know it they are correct or not. As long as things fit together properly (unlike the plows) I am happy.

Originally Posted by Engineer-Joe:

Try the PSC ones. #56198 plastic or 56197 brass. I ordered them to see. I don't know if they're the longer ones for going thru the plow.

 

I'm trying to find those on their web site? I seem to not be able to find the search function.

 

I think I'm going to spend some good time getting this right if MTH won't.

 

Chuck

The parts are small, especially the glad hands. Make sure you put a drop of CA glue on them so they don't fall out. The hoses can be cut to length to fit each engine. I haven't seen a better set of MU hoses and brackets. PSC has a couple different variations of them as well. Be patient, they take awhile to fill orders.
Originally Posted by Laidoffsick:
The parts are small, especially the glad hands. Make sure you put a drop of CA glue on them so they don't fall out. The hoses can be cut to length to fit each engine. I haven't seen a better set of MU hoses and brackets. PSC has a couple different variations of them as well. Be patient, they take awhile to fill orders.

 

Thought I had ordered them but I had ordered from Atlas.

 

Off hand do you know the part numbers for the MU hoses and brackets on PSC? I'm all over their web site but can't find them.

 

Thanks!

 

Chuck

The PSC glad hands are all the same, I just turn them the opposite direction.  

 

The ones shown on the GP35 above:

 

PSC 56197 ....bracket, hose, and glad hands included...(1 size hose, not the bigger hose)

 

The ones I prefer:

 

PSC 5650 MU bracket

PSC 5676 glad hands

PSC 48387 .045 rubber hose (mu hose)

PSC 48388 .055 rubber hose... (main res hose) 

 

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The brackets to the right (outside the packages) are the ones I prefer... just a tad bigger than the ones I used on the GP35, but either will work.

 

PSC doesn't not have a website, I fax my orders in with CC#, and they still take forever to fill. Still well worth the wait in my opinion.

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