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EDIT 04/18/15 - I posted photos and videos as completed just now farther down on this thread.  Just a totally awesome little locomotive now.  I LOVE IT!

 

 

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Patrick's Trains was particularly quick in getting this to me after I ordered it on tuesday morning: it arrived this afternoon.  I've been a fan of MTH's Euro series since getting a French "Chapelo" 241.A a few years ago, and this certainly lived up to my expectations, which were:

- It runs on standard O gauge track but is 1/43 scale.

- It runs and sounds as good as the best of the Premier locos.

- It has detail and finish as good as it gets: equal to 3rd Rail in my opinion.  This loco has incredible detail.

- It has a spectacular whistle

- Being PS3, it smokes like a fiend

- Being European it was a very small loco, so even though the model is 1:43, its not that big compared to a lot of 1:48 steamers (pics in a moment).

- Price is really high: I paid essentially the same price for this loco alone, as for the entire NYC Niagara Premier set with five reefers and a caboose thrown in.  If I had to choose between the two I'd take the Niagara set: it is the better bargain.  You have to want the BR-44, but you can feel good that you get 3rd Rail detail for your money.

 

It arrived without any broken parts although it had some slight signs of shipping damage - the two elephant ears (smoke defelctors) are not perfectly symmetrical, one or the other is slightly skewed.  Not sure which.  It runs as well as any PS3 loco, has unique sound (video below does not do it justice) and whistle (also a video), and has very detailed, interesting lighting.  It runs and pulls very well.  Nice loco, if intimidatingly delicate given its many fine tiny detailed parts. 

 

It was packed unlike any other MTH loco I have ever received, mounted "securely" to a wooden display base.  What you see below is what I lifted out of the box after removeing the usual Styrofoam top.  The loco and tender come coupled together with all couplings attached - I do not know if they detach, I did not try.  Loco and tender are bolted to the wooden base with five screws.  Two black wires stick out from underneath.

 

It comes with big (8.5 x 11 inch) instruction manuals in German and English.  I was impressed at first, until I got into them: the font is bigger than normal and it appears to be the standard stuff as in the MTH PS manuals, no more.  This manual is quite poor, in my opinion.  I looked through the entire thing: no where could I find instructions on: a) what the two wires from the bottom of the base do, or b) how to unbolt and remove the locvo from the base.  I could figure both out, but why should I have to?  I also prefer a manual that has a section that, in one place, tells you where all the controls, switches, etc, are located and how to operate them.  Here, the smoke unit adjustment is covered in the smoke section, the sound in the sound section, the DCS/DCC switch in the DCS running section.  

 

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I put the loco-tender combination on its side on a very big, soft piece of cloth and unfastened the five bolts. 

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There are five, four like the two silver ones shown and one green one to the tender.  You can see the metal conductor plates that lead from the wires to the tender's pickups and wheels . . . 

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Even with a 10% boost in scale, it is not a big loco.  Here is is facing off with: a Lionel Texas, A vision CC2, and a Lionel scale Atlantic.  

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But it is full of "gee whiz" detail.  The red paint helps accentuate that, but the detail is there, and it is real, from many "Separated Applied parts."

Note the side marker lights, cool . . . 

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Here is is at rest - it sounds like nothing else I've heard, and running forward.  Frankly I expected it to chuff alot more as if moved, given three cylinders and small drivers, but it sounds good (much better than in the video, but high and sharp, not a deep tone like a big steamer0.

Here is is running backwards, a bit slower.  It is a steaming fiend . . . 

 

The bell is generic toy-train bell as far as I can hear - do all the manufacturers use the same sound file - ding -ding-ding?  But the whistle is very cool . . . 

 

Overall conclusion:

- It is a neat model, really detailed, fantastic to look and marvel at.

- It is a great toy train, great lighting, great smoke, good sound, awesome whistle, runs smooth and slow, pulls well . . . 

- It cost a lot of money

- It is a decapod.  I've always wanted a decapod.

- I gotta get rid of the red.  Yeah, I know, it won't be iconic German without the red, but, no . . . not on my layout.

- So I will repaint it, and either remove or fix the skewed elephant ears, too. Not sure a loco with a top speed limited to 43 mph in service needed are smoke deflectors, but hey, I like elephant ears . . .  Maybe change the front "bumpers" out for more American hardware, etc.

- and relabel it in my fictional Canon City, Blanca and Glen Canyon Railroad: this would have been perfect, by the way, for a southern Colorado/northern New Mexico railroad.  

- and, being its a BR-44, I will not be able to resist renumbering it BR-549

 

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Originally Posted by Hot Water:

Nice review but, PLEASE invest in a tripod for your camera.

I have a tripod, but it is too difficult to take videos and move about why tracking a loco.  I'll try to post a warning in the future.

 

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Originally Posted by Adriatic:

 BR-549! He He He Haw Haw  

One of my favorite shows ever: I'm nothing if not high-brow!

 

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Originally Posted by josef:

I would have thought the whistle having a higher pitch?

I expected the whistle to be high pitched, and frankly I don't know if this is authentic or not, but I like it . . . 

 

I'm going to post a thread about whistle videos on this forum in a minute and put both this and the Chapelon 241.A (my favorite whistle, very shrill) on there.

 

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Originally Posted by BigBoy4014:

I believe this BR-44 has a third cylinder, if so, is it operational like in the MTH UP 4-12-4?

 

And in reply by Pat Marinari wrote

The 3rd cylinder is "operational".  All the valve linkage, drive rods and axle cranks are present and operate just like the outside cylinders.

 

The level of detail is extraordinary.

Yes, the mechanism is there and it works and if the loco is going slow you can see it underneath inside.  Just extraordinary.  

 

The loco also sounds different than anything else, but as I said I am not certain that is due to its three cylinders.  As I said, I expected many more chuffs per foot givne the three cylinders and tiny drivers (they were 55 inch in the real world so at 1/43 55" would be equal to about 60" in 1:48).  I have a Legacy three-cylinder loco (UP 9000 4-12-2, which does sound very "complicated" due to its three cylinders, so my expectations were based on that . . . )

 

I have not counted the chuff rate for this BR-44 and figured it out versus distance to figure it there are three per revolution, so I don't know if its just me . . . , maybe it is right, but it sounds too slow, yet the loco is unique as to sound: not like any other loco I have.  And it sounds "small," too: the chuff is sharp, short, and high pitched.  If you had never seen it and were asked, only on the basis of the sound, what kind of loco, you'd guess (at least I would) that is was rather small cylinders, not a big Allegheny or ATSF Northern.

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My conclusions......

1. I'd have this on my layout as I like trains.....I like US trains best.....but any steam loco is welcome! 

2. It is cool and very detailed.

3. It is expensive so I doubt it will ever be seen on my layout unless you come to visit with it in hand!

4. Sounds seem good to me......or at least match those in movies with German trains.

5. You have way more guts than I......NO WAY could I even think about painting this loco or altering it in any way!!

6. Say Hi to Junior when you see him!(I watched He-Haw every Saturday at my in-laws house while waiting for my now wife to get ready to go out......kinda hated it at the time....but now part of my nostalgia) 

Originally Posted by Lee Willis:

 

The loco also sounds different than anything else, but as I said I am not certain that is due to its three cylinders.  As I said, I expected many more chuffs per foot givne the three cylinders and tiny drivers (they were 55 inch in the real world so at 1/43 55" would be equal to about 60" in 1:48).  I have a Legacy three-cylinder loco (UP 9000 4-12-2, which does sound very "complicated" due to its three cylinders, so my expectations were based on that . . . )

 

I have not counted the chuff rate for this BR-44 and figured it out versus distance to figure it there are three per revolution, so I don't know if its just me . . . , maybe it is right, but it sounds too slow, yet the loco is unique as to sound: not like any other loco I have.  And it sounds "small," too: the chuff is sharp, short, and high pitched.  If you had never seen it and were asked, only on the basis of the sound, what kind of loco, you'd guess (at least I would) that is was rather small cylinders, not a big Allegheny or ATSF Northern.

I think you only run Conv. But if you have access to DCS, you can change the chuffs per rev and find the right sound for you...

Nice review Lee.

 

My BR44 arrived but I won't be able to open it until summer (Out of state on a job).

 

The BR44 is small by US standards. It's about the same size as the Strasburg (Ex CGW) 2-10-0. They were a modern locomotive and lasted until the late 1970's. There are quite a few preserved and many of those are operational. I've seen a several in person and they're really impressive.

 

Lee,Please don't change the class number(Or I'll lose sleep),the BR44 and BR54 are completely different locomotives. The class 54 is a small 2-6-0. Repaint one of the small MTH 2-6-0's into DB colors and replace the pilot.You'll be close to the prototype and Junior Samples will be proud.


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Lee,

   I always liked the German RR black engines with red under frames and wheels when I was collecting Marklin 3 Rail HO. However I don't have any plans of purchasing any MTH engines (1/43) that are not 1/48 scale. I have heard people say well European engines are smaller so they look OK with 1/48 American style engines but my feeling is if they are not 1/48 they are not scale.

   They do look nice and I hope the Germans buy a lot of product from MTH.

 

JohnB

Originally Posted by Steam Loco Greg:

Pat, or anyone,

What is the difference between the Era IIIb and Era IV models.

 

Thanks,

The DB changed the classification numbering system from 44 to 044 and a few other minor cosmetic changes.There are also slight differences within the class depending on the builder and there were several. 

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I believe you have the chuff rate set incorrectly in the video you posted. Something sure didn't look and sound right for a 3-cylinder steam locomotive.

Originally Posted by Lee Willis:
 

Oh, I won't change the class #.  But the road number I will change to BR549.  Maybe it was just the way Junior Samples said it, but it was funny as the dickens  . . . 

During my days as a Sr System Analyst....BR549 was our 'inside' code for.......a computer problem caused by a person......but we called it something else. 

Yes.....still funny to me too....

Just when I had put my Euro-madness behind me; I have the Chapelon Pacific, wanted the beautiful SNCF 4-8-2 (2-4-1), but resisted, and was intending to buy the DB 2-10-0 in plain gray, but just lost interest. It's novel, but, it's...irrelevant. Seeing yours, my desire is

somewhat re-kindled for the gray version. The red? No. (I do like the SAR Red Devil

4-8-4, strangely enough.)

 

But, I'll still pass, I guess. But your loco is very appealing. 

 

Neolube to the rescue.  the perfect paint for this because:

- It covers and makes it nearly black, metallic.

- It lubricates

- It conducts electricity

 

 I put it on rollers at a level that was easy to work on and set the wheels to motion to paint them.  Rotated the unpowered ones by hand, etc.  Then, since it was easy to work on here, just left it while I painted everything else.  

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Here is the loco after one coat of Neolube over all the red.  It shows signs of needing a second coat.

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Here is the tender after three coats, one hour dry time between each.  Looks great.  I will do more on the loco tomorrow.  This side took about an hour.  Have not yet done the other side.  Will probably use half a bottle on it. 

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Originally Posted by Hot Water:
Originally Posted by Lee Willis:

Neolube to the rescue.  the perfect paint for this because:

- It covers and makes it nearly black, metallic.

- It lubricates

- It conducts electricity

So, what happened to the prototypically CORRECT red running gear?

Not Lee......but since he is lettering it for his own US based RR....paint is the last worry!!!!

Originally Posted by AMCDave:
Originally Posted by Hot Water:
Originally Posted by Lee Willis:

Neolube to the rescue.  the perfect paint for this because:

- It covers and makes it nearly black, metallic.

- It lubricates

- It conducts electricity

So, what happened to the prototypically CORRECT red running gear?

Not Lee......but since he is lettering it for his own US based RR....paint is the last worry!!!!

Exactly.  These are toys!!  I'm having fun with mine, that is for sure.  I'm going to remove the elephant ears, too.  I think it will look more "decapod-ish," and industrial.  it is a cool loco.  the more I work on it, the more I like it.

Completed!  Elephant ears removed.  Neolube (three coats) over all the red.  Relabeled it as of the CCB&GC railway.

 

And absolutely wonderful it is.  This is just exactly what I wanted, a big, brawny decapod, a working locomotive, not a highly painted glamour queen.  This is a spectacular toy locomotive, highly detailed, excellent runner, good and interesting chuffing sound, awesome whistle.  It cost a lot, and it took four hours to make the changes, but it is all worth it.  Just splendid! 

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Here are short videos.  Running forward at about a scale 20 mph.

 

 

Reversing at about scale 15 mph.

 

 

Stationary: I noticed how fine - how much better than many others - the firebox glow flickering is on this loco.  I tried to get that with this third video below.  It varies from full to half intensity, never going out entirely like some, and when it flares up it lights up the whole cabin, and when it dims the cabin goes dark.  That is cool!

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Originally Posted by Hot Water:
Originally Posted by Lee Willis:

Neolube to the rescue.  the perfect paint for this because:

- It covers and makes it nearly black, metallic.

- It lubricates

- It conducts electricity

So, what happened to the prototypically CORRECT red running gear?

All that matters is that Lee likes it, nothing else matters.

 

Just wish I could afford the engine the way it was built.

 

i think it really looks cool, nice job Lee. 

 

  I had never heard of it, but I started trying to research it some because 1) I love dry lubes, but graphite is a mess. 2) I use 3 times as much black as anything, and like a graphite look 3) electrically conductive "paint"

 I tried, but it didn't seem like info on it was easy to find.

How many coats did you apply with Neo lube? Right over the red?

Any idea what the difference is between neo #1 & #2?

I assume it doesn't turn your hands grey handling it dry.

Do other paints/decals adhere to it?  

Originally Posted by Adriatic:

 

  I had never heard of it, but I started trying to research it some because 1) I love dry lubes, but graphite is a mess. 2) I use 3 times as much black as anything, and like a graphite look 3) electrically conductive "paint"

 I tried, but it didn't seem like info on it was easy to find.  I GET MINE FROM MICROMARK

How many coats did you apply with Neo lube? Right over the red?  THREE, AND IN A FEW PLACES, FOUR.  ONE HOUR DRY TIME BETWEEN COATS, AT LEAST

Any idea what the difference is between neo #1 & #2?   NO.

I assume it doesn't turn your hands grey handling it dry.  NO, BUT IT TURNS YOUR HANDS BLACK HANDLING IT BLACK AND TAKES PAINT THINNER TO REMOVE.

Do other paints/decals adhere to it?  NOT WELL IN MY EXPERIENCE.

 

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