MTH Z4000 Remote Controller and plug in receiver

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May 27, 2011 2:39 PM

I just got this item with the unit the plugs into the Z4000. These 2 items are not shown in any of the current MTH Catalogs going back to 2009. My question is
does the remote controller operate proto 1 and or proto 2 locomotives?

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May 27, 2011 3:01 PM

Yes, it operates PS 1 and PS 2 in conventional mode only. It controls track power and does not communicate with the engines.
 

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May 27, 2011 3:38 PM

I thought it remotely controlled the Z-4000 and had nothing to do with the train on the track? G
 

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May 27, 2011 4:02 PM

Thank you Susan and GGG. Will try the unit and see what happens. I have to look at older MTH Catalogs to get any information on how it controls the locomotives.

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May 27, 2011 6:39 PM

Ed: It's "just" a wireless walk-around throttle for the Z-4000, but for those of us who don't want more than conventional control it was a godsend when it came out. I've heard/read that it's been discontinued and that it will eventually stop working, but mine is still going strong. It will run ANY brand in conventional.
 

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May 28, 2011 10:30 AM

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May 29, 2011 8:59 AM

I have a Z4000 transformer and use Legacy to run my TMCC/Legacy engines. I also have the remote commander. It lets me run up voltage up and down on the transformer if required (like when I turn everything on the first time) and lets me run PS-1, PS-2 and conventional engines in conventional. The handiest darn thing for anyone who has a Z4000.
 

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May 29, 2011 12:12 PM

Dick, We are talking about 2 different devices. The wireless Z-4000 remote, and Remote Commander. G
 

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May 29, 2011 12:16 PM

Dick's answer is spot on; the Z4000 Remote Commander has a plug-in receiver at the Z4000, and a wireless remote from which the Z4000 can be controlled. Nothing at all to do with the newer DCS Remote Commander.
 

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May 30, 2011 7:27 AM

Thanks, Mark. I don't understand why MTH no longer makes one. Maybe not enough people understood what it was and how handy it is when they first came out, and were a poor seller. Sure glad I have mine.
 

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May 30, 2011 10:27 AM

Mark/Dick, I guess we are talking about the same device, The "DCS remote commander" is also called Remote Commander. I was just being confused by the references to running PS-1 and PS-2 engines in conventional in the post.

You can run PS-1 and PS-2 engines in conventional from a Z-4000 regardless of having the remote commander.

The "Z-4000 remote Commander" allows you to run the Z-4000 remotely and run "any engine" in conventional not just PS-1 and PS-2. G
 

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May 30, 2011 11:00 AM

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Thanks, Mark. I don't understand why MTH no longer makes one. Maybe not enough people understood what it was and how handy it is when they first came out, and were a poor seller.

I disagree... it was a great seller but would have interfeered and undermined the rollout of DCS at the time.[which MTH took great pride and resources to develop] The remote was then cancelled to "push the marketplace" to try out DCS.
 

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May 30, 2011 12:20 PM

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Originally posted by Mark V. Spadaro:
Z4000 Remote Commander Instructions


Thank you Mark for posting this. Mine had gone out and I couldn't get it going again. This really helped and now it's back online!
 

 

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May 30, 2011 12:30 PM

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curve writes: I disagree... it was a great seller but would have interfeered and undermined the rollout of DCS at the time.[which MTH took great pride and resources to develop] The remote was then cancelled to"push the pmarketplace to try out DCS.


And, in turn, I disagree w/ you, and MTH, if it was a part of their business plan. The Z4000 is the pride of the fleet amongst MTH's, and, possibly all, currently produced hobby transformers. The Remote Commander can be integral to conventional running, and there are, I'm sure, a significant minority of O Gaugers who'll never use command control, but who will upgrade to a Z4000, and the wireless remote if it were still available.
 

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May 30, 2011 12:42 PM

I am pretty sure MTH discontinued it to introduce DCS but in this stage of the game a reintroduction of the Z4000 remote commander might make good business sense. There are some people who just will never be interested in DCS and would actually like to run their PS-1 engines.
 
 
 
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May 30, 2011 12:49 PM

of course you guys already know this, but you can set the dcs system to run in conventional on variable tracks 1 and 2. the dcs handheld will act/respond just like the z-4000 handheld. i have both handhelds.......rogerw.
 
 
 
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May 30, 2011 6:33 PM

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And, in turn, I disagree w/ you, and MTH, if it was a part of their business plan. The Z4000 is the pride of the fleet amongst MTH's, and, possibly all, currently produced hobby transformers. The Remote Commander can be integral to conventional running, and there are, I'm sure, a significant minority of O Gaugers who'll never use command control, but who will upgrade to a Z4000, and the wireless remote if it were still available.


Well I agree with the above statement. What I disagreed on was this statement:

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Maybe not enough people understood what it was and how handy it is when they first came out, and were a poor seller.


while this is true:
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of course you guys already know this, but you can set the dcs system to run in conventional on variable tracks 1 and 2. the dcs handheld will act/respond just like the z-4000 handheld.
the issue is to set up DCS with that PITA star wiring and signal strength bulbs! you Don't have this issue with the remote commander which uses any type of wiring, including block style wiring. A real K.I.S. product! Wink

BTW I have TWO remote commanders and don't have intentions of DCS now.
 

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May 30, 2011 6:45 PM

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of course you guys already know this, but you can set the dcs system to run in conventional on variable tracks 1 and 2. the dcs handheld will act/respond just like the z-4000 handheld.
the issue is to set up DCS with that PITA star wiring and signal strength bulbs! you Don't have this issue with the remote commander which uses any type of wiring, including block style wiring. A real K.I.S. product! Wink

BTW I have TWO remote commanders and don't have intentions of DCS now.


Ok, Now this is confusing me, are we talking "DCS Remote Commander" or "Z-4000 Remote commander"? G
 

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May 30, 2011 6:51 PM

If you can fin d a new Z4000 remote, what would you pay for it? Dick
 
 
 
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May 30, 2011 8:11 PM

GGG, i'm sorry that you are confused. with the new dcs remote commander (the one that comes with the ready to run sets (r-t-r). you can run one engine at a time on the same loop. you can also run more than one engine on a loop, but they will respond the same. ex: if you have 2 engines on the same track using the dcs remote commander and you pressed the horn button on the remote, both engines will respond.

mth z-4000 remote control system (40-4001)you can run up to 6 tracks using 3 z-4000 transformers. you will have to have a receiver (plug-in) for each transformer. each receiver will allow you to run 2 tracks in conventional. this system was designed for ps-1 and all conventional engines. it will run ps-2 engines also but only in conventional mode.

mth dcs system (50-1001) will allow you to run conventional and command and you also can run them on the same track at the same time. on the TIU, you have 2 fixed outputs and 2 variable outputs. you can set-up the variable outputs to run like mth-z-4000 remote control system. once you set the handheld up, it will respond like the z-4000 remote handheld.

................hope this help to clarify the difference between the remote commander, z-4000 remote control system and dcs system.................roger
 
 
 
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May 31, 2011 11:22 AM

Z-4000 Remote Commander System Product Number: 40-4001 M.S.R.P. $ 79.95

Z-4000 Remote Commander Receiver Product Number: 40-4002 M.S.R.P. $ 39.95

Z-4000 Remote Commander Handheld Product Number: 40-4003 M.S.R.P. $ 39.95
 

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Originally posted by ROGERW:
GGG, i'm sorry that you are confused. with the new dcs remote commander (the one that comes with the ready to run sets (r-t-r). you can run one engine at a time on the same loop. you can also run more than one engine on a loop, but they will respond the same. ex: if you have 2 engines on the same track using the dcs remote commander and you pressed the horn button on the remote, both engines will respond.

mth z-4000 remote control system (40-4001)you can run up to 6 tracks using 3 z-4000 transformers. you will have to have a receiver (plug-in) for each transformer. each receiver will allow you to run 2 tracks in conventional. this system was designed for ps-1 and all conventional engines. it will run ps-2 engines also but only in conventional mode.

mth dcs system (50-1001) will allow you to run conventional and command and you also can run them on the same track at the same time. on the TIU, you have 2 fixed outputs and 2 variable outputs. you can set-up the variable outputs to run like mth-z-4000 remote control system. once you set the handheld up, it will respond like the z-4000 remote handheld.

................hope this help to clarify the difference between the remote commander, z-4000 remote control system and dcs system.................roger


Roger, Thank you, and I do understand the difference between the Z-4000 and DCS remote Commander. I just thought the original post was asking about the Z-4000 remote commander and now we are talking about star wiring, and types of engines that can be run, all which seem to be red herrings to me if we are talking about a device that remotely lets you vary your transformer voltage, change direction and sound the bell and horn/whistle. Smile G
 

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June 1, 2011 8:13 AM

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if we are talking about a device that remotely lets you vary your transformer voltage, change direction and sound the bell and horn/whistle.


That's it. Which means you can run any engine whether MTH, Lionel, Atlas, etc. in CONVENTIONAL mode. If you have an MTH Z4000 running two loops of a conventional layout, add this device and suddenly you have a hand held remote control for your engines. No fancy wiring required. Don't let all the jargon confuse anyone. it's a nest, simple, hand held device to run engines in conventional mode. BUT, it's easier to run PS1 engines in conventional because it works to do all the clinks and clanks for options such as firing a coupler.
 

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June 2, 2011 1:23 AM

Thank you all for your comments. I just tried the one I was given by my freind Tom of Tom's Trains of Ardsley, NY. and it works just great. The remote was cataloged from 1999-2005. I don't know how I missed it in all of the catalogs. It came with a Z4000 transformer that Tom just purchased with a large collection of mostly postwar trains from a guy who lives in
Long Island, NY. He phoned the store a few weeks ago saying that he had to sell all of his trains because he was moving to Florida and the houses there do not have basements. When asked why not convert the car port into a train room as others have done in Florida he said, that will be up to my next wife. Now we know why he is selling his trains. He just has to get out of his current house.

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September 10, 2011 12:17 AM

Can the recievers be repaired at MTH? I have 2 one not working and use them for track power with my Z4k with the DCS Controller
 

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