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a little while ago N.Q.D.Y. posted about a good show she had been to.  one of the photos was of a seller's table.  on the table, along with trains, were some Dinky Toy boxes.  i have a considerable amount of Dinky military stuff.  i realized that they had been in a box for decades as they traveled from Oregon to New Jersey to North Carolina to south Florida to NYC and finally down to central Florida.  

 

i decided to create some military loads, despite my increasing inability to deal with fine details.  i had seen plenty here on the forum, so i made a post asking for advice.  as usual, i got plenty of good ideas and even a few (can you believe it?) disagreements.  i sorted out things and decided to try the sewing loops to secure chains to vehicles from the Run 266 article that was linked in the thread.  i also liked the idea of using small springs beneath the cars to hold the chains taut.  

 

i found and bought four flats from the 2013 Lionel catalog.  long and low with wood decks, i thought they looked great.  found some jewelry chain at Michaels. found a triangular wood strip at the LHS that i thought would be good for chocks on the armored vehicles and had to order some smaller triangular plastruct strips online (LHS had every other kind of plastruct strip, but the triangular ones) to use for chocks on the other vehicles.

 

all of my projects run into unforeseen difficulties and this one was no exception.

 

the cars are beautiful and greatly detailed, especially the underside.  the beams there made the use of springs under the deck for the chains impractical.  there was really no good way to even run them over the sides even if there had been room for the spring underneath.  i decided to drill holes in the deck and use some small flat washers painted with flat black as grommets. i would glue the chains into the holes.  the downside would be that the glue would be apparent on close examination and it would be difficult to have the chains be taut.  since my whole scenery design theory is the create a feeling rather than a precise reproduction, lack of scrutiny is standard procedure on the Brewer Avenue and Pacific.  

 

i also discovered that the sewing loops were going to work on only two vehicles and i would have to find alternative means to attach the chains to other vehicles.  this i did, also relying on avoiding close examination.

 

of course i managed to drill two holes in the wrong place.  par for the course.

 

the Dinky Toys themselves present an odd picture.  with about five exceptions, what i have are British. what are they doing on a US railroad?  joint exercises?  who knows.  these are not greatly detailed like most of the models being used here for military loads.  they were, after all, toys.  because they were toys, they were well used. i played with them a lot and some of that play was outdoors.  some wear can be detected.  again, it bothers me not.  i have some very fine German WWII armor, but they are a wee bit too big.  i would use them if they weren't.  be more of a messy scene.  

 

anyway, here are some photos and a short HD video.  purists may rail and scream, but i don't care.  it was frustrating at times, but mostly fun.  now i have to figure out what rolling stock to remove from the layout.  when something goes on, something else has to come off.

 

 

Centurion heavy tanks.

 

 

Centurions

 

 

french E.B.R. Panhard and Char AMX

 

 

French Armor

 

 

medium artillery tractor and piece

 

 

Artillery

 

 

Centurion tank transporter

 

 

Transporter

 

 

765 pulling this train

 

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MTH has made several runs of flatcars without loads, both the 41' wooden cars and the 50' steel ones (which are PS-4 cars, although they are not so identified by MTH). Also, you can sometimes find cars with not-so-popular loads on the Bay as cheap as a no-load car. And if you're into repainting, a lot of the early flats that were painted "MTH Transport" or some such thing sometimes go very cheap on the Bay. I picked up a Premier flat, complete with a die-cast fire engine, for under 20 bucks because it said MTH Fire Department on it. Haven't got around to repainting it yet, but one of these days...
 
Weaver flatcars can often be found at train shows. Also don't forget the 40' Lionel flatcars, which are die-cast and really nice. They tend to be almost as expensive as the PS-4 cars, but once in a while you find a deal. 
 
Originally Posted by Forrest Jerome:
The biggest obstacle right now to doing more loads is the cost of the PS4 flats. Curiously, they cost more on the bay than at Nicholas smith or Nassau hobby wher I got the ones I used. I looked at weaver's site, but didn't see anything available. Where else could I source flats without loads?

 

Forrest,

 

        The Lionel PS4 flatcars are my favorite however because they are die cast plus the weight of two tanks or other armored vehicles and you begin to have a heavy train to pull. When i was assembling my military train my second choice of flat cars were Atlas Trainmen 52 ft cars. Some say they are too modern for a WWII train but with two Shermans on top who is going to look real close at the flat car. The thing you have to look out for is road names like Penn Central which was not around during WWII. I gave away all the pipe loads to another forum member who put them to use. You can also paint the wood slats of the flatcar to make it look more WWII ish.

        MTH flats are also good (Premire) again lose the loads they came with, painting the wood slats helps a lot. I picked up 6 at the York train show a few years back. A guy was selling them for $10 each as they were a over run and he got them cheap from MTH. Kline had a scale flat car that came with an assortment of hardware to attach loads with. Good to use and gives you ideas of what hardware to use with other flats. I will try to post a video of my military traIn later when I get to my computer.

 

JohnB

Forrest;

Don't sweat it. Last time I ran my Military Consist at a show, no one noticed the lack of chains or proper chocks.

My Tanks on Flats have the big plastic chocks (MTH set).

I got plenty of positive comments so I'll run it again.

Only negative comment (Turrets Facing Wrong way) was countered by an older gentleman that said the old Tanks were often carried with the barrel facing forward in WW2.

Heck, I had a truck on a flat held in place with scotch tape ! I failed to forsee the need when I got a new Army Flatbed Truck not long before the show.


I do plan to add chains and chocks eventually, they just look better.

For now I'm trying to get a decent Layout going. Most of the trains are back in the boxes.

Last edited by Russell

Forrest,

   It does take time to put together a Military train, I have been working on mine for at least the last ten years. I used to be able to find a Corgi or Solido Sherman Tank for as little as $10 but the average was $20. Now at the last Greenburg show in Edison NJ I paid $35 for a Corgi Sherman and was happy to get it. I did hit a good deal at the past April's York show, some guy was selling HobbyMaster Shermans used on the last run of MTH cars for $20/each. I bought two. The only bad thing is they all are the same number tank so if you don't put them on the same flatcar and scatter them in your consist no one will pick it up.

    Good luck with your train, keep a eye out for flat cars and military vehicles at train shows. One good thing is you always have something on your buying list.

 

 

JohnB

Heh, I hear you Forrest;

I'm always looking to add to my Military train as well.

Recently added a Crane and tender, a Army Flatbed on Flatcar, and prior to that I picked up something I thought would go with but does not.

I got the K-Line Red Cross Hospital Car set but I've learned those were actually used in peacetime to take medical labs right to the source of an outbreak of disease.

I'm still looking for Troop cars, I need a Kitchen and a Hospital car., more pullman or heavyweight cars would be added if I ran across them but I'm not actively searching now.

So far I have 2 6x6 Trucks, 2 jeep pairs on flats (more if I repaint the brown ones), an Army Flatbed 18 wheeler on flatcar, a gondola with crates, a crane car and tender, the recent 3 Lionel cars for Army, a couple troop cars and 9 Shermans on flats (MTH set plus odd ones I've found).

A couple of the flatcars need paint jobs as they Say MTH on them now.

They all need good chocks and chains too.

 

It just never ends does it?   

OK, nearly complete.  decided i needed to exhibit some more of what i had available from my Dinky Toy "collection" so i got two more PS-4 Lionel flats (Weaver did not have the road names available that i wanted) and added a light artillery piece with tractor and caisson, a tanker, a 10 ton truck and a 3 ton truck.  i also obtained a Weaver Troop Sleeper from a forum member.  it is one of the earlier ones, so my last job will be to add some sort of interior.

 

here are shots of the two new cars and a new video.

 

 

light

trucks

 

 

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and tanks:

 

 

ww2 tanks

Thanks Bob! This picture is just what I needed. I scored four of these Sherman tank flat cars a while ago from Pat's Trains and have been wondering about a good way to replace the plastic supports that the tank sits on with scratch built wooden pieces. This shows me what they need to look like. Also I was figuring on small chains as tie downs but I can see that's not needed. Duh -- not like the tank is gonna roll off the flat car.

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