New Heisler - Legacy or TMCC?

What's the product number? 

There was an older TMCC Heisler #6.

Since the Legacy Heisler doesn't have whistle steam, that's probably why it won't emit any.

I can tell you that the Heislers can be upgraded to DCS. JDS Limited Productions had an older one upgraded to Proto 2 at York.

Scott Smith

This is the product number of the Legacy version, 6-82813, yep no whistle steam.

Mike

The model number is -- 6-82811, Meadow River Lumber

gunrunnerjohn posted:

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Since the Legacy Heisler doesn't have whistle steam, that's probably why it won't emit any.

 

ezmike posted:

This is the product number of the Legacy version, 6-82813, yep no whistle steam.

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Gents, I thought the latest production run of Legacy Heislers DOES HAVE whistle-steam???  I'm pretty sure I saw some of the early videos posted here with a nice whistle-steam effect.   Then again, I might have been dreaming of seeing the whistle-steam since Lionel priced this little gem into the stratosphere.  Almost qualifies as a VisionLine product on pricing alone! 

It's definitely a ton of buckeroos for such a small locomotive, but Lionel's pricers seem to be smoking some pretty strong stuff these days.

David

Rocky M,

   David I definitely agree way to much green, for to little Engine.  I will wait and pick one up used.  Great looking Engine however.

PCRR/Dave

Don(Cerritos) posted:

...  I have yet get the whistle to emit any steam/smoke ...  Maybe I'm missing something here, don't know.  But think this will be my last Lionel engine, I think MTH has a much better product...

 

Don, check on the forum for Sean's (SANDJAM) early review of the Lionel Legacy Heisler.  I think he also purchased the Meadow River model, and I recall Sean saying something about two smoke units (and probably corresponding switches too)... one for the stack, and one for whistle-steam effect.  Perhaps I'm mistaken on this... but the catalog definitely has the whistle-steam splash-banner predominantly featured.  Double-check the manual for location of the switches.

As for which company offers a better product.  There's no question that right now MTH's offerings are MUCH better price/performers.  Not always cheap, mind you... but definitely better price/performers.  However, lots of model train enthusiasts are goo-goo / ga-ga over Legacy Railsounds, so they part with their money accordingly and pay Lionel's price premium.

Folks are paying around $1,100 for Lionel's latest Heisler (on a $1300 MSRP), whereas MTH's Climax loco (a similarly small logging jewel) can be had for $825 or so (on a $900 MSRP).  Not an insignificant difference, for sure!!!

David 

Right off the Lionel website, I do not see whistle steam, both of these are cab #6: 6-82813 & 6-82811 HOWEVER, I just watched SANDJAM's video and yes indeed there's whistle steam. Very interesting.

• LEGACY™ Control System equipped – able to run in LEGACY™ Control mode, in TrainMaster® Command Control mode, or in Conventional mode with a standard transformer
• Odyssey® II Speed Control with On/Off switch
• LEGACY RailSounds® sound system featuring:
• • CrewTalk™ dialog and TowerCom™ announcements, each with different scenarios depending on whether the locomotive is in motion or stopped
  • Six official railroad speeds with CrewTalk dialog
  • Eight diesel RPM levels
  • LEGACY™ "Real-Time Quilling Horn" control with instant response for realistic signature "quilling" and correctly timed warning signals
  • Single hit or continuous mechanical bell sounds
  • Sequence Control: plays the sound effects of an entire trip, including warning sounds and announcements, based on the movement and speed of the locomotive
  • Current speed and fuel dialog, refueling sound effects
• IR Transmitter for SensorTrack
• Dual powerful maintenance-free motors with momentum flywheels
• ElectroCouplers™ on front and rear
• Traction tires
• Refined Conventional Transformer Control Mode with lower starting speeds
• Fan-driven smoke unit
• Adjustable smoke output
• Directional lighting including LED headlights
• Marker lights on front and rear
• Illuminated number boards
• Lighted cab interior
• Die-cast metal trucks, pilot, and fuel tank
• Metal frame
• High levels of separately applied metal details
• Engineer and conductor figures

PRODUCT SPECIFICATIONS

• Rail Line: Cass Scenic
• Road Number: 6
• Gauge: O Gauge
   
• Scale Type: Scale
• Engine Type: Steam
• Min Curve: O31
• Dimensions: 15 3/4" Long
• Most Recent Catalog: 2015 Lionel Volume 2 Catalog

Mike

Rocky Mountaineer posted:

Don(Cerritos) posted:

...  I have yet get the whistle to emit any steam/smoke ...  Maybe I'm missing something here, don't know.  But think this will be my last Lionel engine, I think MTH has a much better product...

 

Don, check on the forum for Sean's (SANDJAM) early review of the Lionel Legacy Heisler.  I think he also purchased the Meadow River model, and I recall Sean saying something about two smoke units (and probably corresponding switches too)... one for the stack, and one for whistle-steam effect.  Perhaps I'm mistaken on this... but the catalog definitely has the whistle-steam splash-banner predominantly featured.  Double-check the manual for location of the switches.

David 

David,

I agree with you!

1.  The 2015 Catalog has the big bubble indicating whistle steam, the representative picture show it.       2.  The User Manual has it discribed with how to insert the smoke fluid and location AND use of the switches.

3. Found 2 locations for adding smoke, but not any function yet.  AND both switches.

4. Suppose to have operating marker lights, haven't found those either.

HOPEFULLY, I'm just plain dumb, or too much of a novice.  Just some thing others may want to be aware of BEFORE putting out these bucks.  SO far Poooooo on Lionel.

The product page doesn't mention whistle steam: http://www.lionel.com/products...c-heislers-6-6-82813

I found a video on YouTube with whistle smoke, so perhaps the product page is in error.

ezmike posted:

Right off the Lionel website, I do not see whistle steam, both of these are cab #6: 6-82813 & 6-82811

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Mike, check Sean's video on the forum and youtube... the whistle-steam effect is demonstrated right there for your viewing pleasure.  Thankfully, I wasn't dreaming after all.  But it's still overpriced even with whistle-steam.  

David 

The catalog says it has whistle steam. The website doesn't list it.

I had one pre-ordered , however my dealer got shorted by the wholesaler. I guess it is a good thing I needed the money to pay my daughter's college.

Scott Smith

gunrunnerjohn posted:

The product page doesn't mention whistle steam: http://www.lionel.com/products...c-heislers-6-6-82813

I found a video on YouTube with whistle smoke, so perhaps the product page is in error.

Well, that's better than the Berkshire's from a few years ago, when Lionel's catalog and specs had whistle-steam listed but the feature was dropped in the production model.  Dealers couldn't give those steamers away after that snafu.

David

Rocky Mountaineer posted:

ezmike posted:

Right off the Lionel website, I do not see whistle steam, both of these are cab #6: 6-82813 & 6-82811

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Mike, check Sean's video on the forum and youtube... the whistle-steam effect is demonstrated right there for your viewing pleasure.  Thankfully, I wasn't dreaming after all.  But it's still overpriced even with whistle-steam.  

David 

David,

After I pasted the page from the Lionel site I found Sean's video and yep, there it is, whistle steam. This time the website doesn't match the actual item in reverse. You get something not listed.

Whether it's overpriced is another discussion altogether.

Mike

ezmike posted:

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Whether it's overpriced is another discussion altogether.

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That's OK, Mike.  We'll never all agree on everything. 

David

I have this engine and it does have whistle steam. Make sure both smoke unit switches are on (under the hatch on top of the cab), and that you've added fluid to the whistle steam unit by removing the dyno.

What other features do you believe are missing that make this a legacy engine aside from not having an orange module? (not a criticism, just wanting to know your opinion) The whistle quills, and it has all the other standard Legacy sounds.

I can second or third or whatever that it does have steam whistle effect.  I had to program one into a Legacy system for a friend who was upset that there was no module included.  Ran it over a sensor track and loaded the base. 

Currently, I have two issues;

- Steam/Smoke effect on whistle inoperable.  (Because I DO NOT have a sensor track, MAYBE that is what is preventing it.  I have both smoke switches ON, (turned on prior to power applied to the track, and fluid added below the dynamo.)  Second issue is Marker Lights, documents say they exist, but I cannot find any (off or on) anywhere on the engine.  ?????? Quill-able whistle is there, such as it is.

EDIT:  Just called Lionel customer service, re: smoke, let engine run for a 1/2 to try to prime the smoke generator, and a 30 second blast to see if it works.  RE: Marker Lights, they don't exist, probably fell off during production.  (Must have a lot laying around on the floor.)

Don(Cerritos) posted:

Currently, I have two issues;

- Steam/Smoke effect on whistle inoperable.  (Because I DO NOT have a sensor track, MAYBE that is what is preventing it.  I have both smoke switches ON, (turned on prior to power applied to the track, and fluid added below the dynamo.)  Second issue is Marker Lights, documents say they exist, but I cannot find any (off or on) anywhere on the engine.  ?????? Quill-able whistle is there, such as it is.

No marker lights.

If the whistle steam isn't working, then you might want to call Lionel.

The smoking whistle should work without the orange module or the sensor track.  You can key in anything that the orange module or sensor track set using the keypad on the CAB2.

Got the steam/smoke whistle to work.  Took a LOT of running to prime the smoke unit, but it works.  All is good.  THANKS FOR ALL THE HELP!!!