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First off let me apologize I couldn't find a new member area to post this. I'm new to model railroading (just because I don't think i could go any further back). I was fortunate enough to have an O-Gauge Lionel Train gifted to me by my Father-in-Law. I'm thinking it's from around the 30's or 40's somewhere in that era. I would love to set it up and run it but, before I do and screw something up I wanted to ask the experts on how best to handle it. The transformer looks dated and the electrical connections look good...just a little hesitant to plug it into 110v without doing some further checking. I have taken pictures of what I have to work with so far...any help or advice would be appreciated. I live in the Chattanooga TN area.

 

Thanks in advance,

Randy

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You are lucky to have discovered this Forum.  Without a doubt, this is the single best resource in the O scale world ever!  There are so many people here that have expertise in any area there is!

And, if you are looking for something in O scale, this is the place to be!  Before this forum and the Internet, trying to figure out issues or locate products was exceedingly difficult at best.

These people on here are very friendly and helpful.

 

Hi Randy, and welcome. You have a very nice pre-war set, which appears to be of 1930's vintage. First of all,  I would not run the set until I had that transformer checked out by a qualified repair person at a local train store or hobby shop. Even if it checks out OK, I would still suggest investing in a more modern O Gauge transformer, just because it will probably have a quick-reaction circuit breaker, which would prevent short circuit and the resultant damage to the set, the rails or worse which can be caused by a derailment. Secondly, I would lubricate the locomotive before I ran it. 

There are a number of websites that deal with the running and maintenance of O Gauge trains. You can use the search function on this forum to find threads that cover those topics.  Another good resource is Thor Sheil's website, http://thortrains.net/, which has a lot of good information. Finally, any search engine will allow you to find information on running and maintenance of O Gauge trains.

In any event, I hope you enjoy that set and the hobby generally.

That's a 259, one of my favorite locomotives!    Fantastic set to get started with!  The transformer "looks" OK but it's hard to tell from just a photo.  As long as the cord flexes easily and there are no cracks or flaking it should be safe.  If in doubt take it to a hobby shop and ask if someone there can look it over for you.  BTW, welcome aboard! 

Becky

Welcome!

Be careful, some hobby shops try to talk you out of running old trains. They are trying to sell new stuff.  That takes a lot of fun out of running a family member's old stuff.  You should be ok, but things probably need to be cleaned and lubricated before running too long.  Watch for anything that feels or smells hot and shut it down if needed.  Ask the hobby shop if they work on old trains.  I have found good ones and bad ones.

Keep us posted on progress.

George

 

http://www.tandem-associates.c...onel/lionelident.htm   For postwar transformer options look there. For modern options, try the venders in the ad banner on the top of the page. They pay for ads so this site can remain free, help um out so they can continue.

That set looks great! Likely not a thing wrong. It doesn't look run much at all really.

   If the cord seems fine, and you want to use the original transformer, plug it into a power strip that has a built in cicuit breaker. The lower the breaker amps the better at first power up. A switched strip is better yet. If you'll notice there isn't a zero volt setting. All done? Just shut the strip down till next time.

Add a circuit breaker and/or 4-5 amp fuse between track and transformer too, if there is not one built onto the transformer. A new one in addition to anything there sure wont hurt, and would ensure disconnection should time have froze up the internal one. Early ones didn't always have a breaker (it would be a button on the top. But fyi, a button could be a whistle/horn too,. Can we see the top please?)  An automotive fuse or breaker will do. If you use fuses, buy extra. There are vintage add on breakers that usually function well also.

It won't matter which wire goes to which side of the lock-on at this point. Just start at the low volt "steps" and see if you need a higher voltage or not.

Oil it before you run it! Oil all axles and pivots. Oil or a dot of grease on rub areas.

  Make sure the bushings , and gear post get it good. Also where the gear rests on the frame and spins. If you can work grease into that frame/gear gap, that works too. I would lay it on its side, oil it, spin the wheels some and let gravity do its thing for an hour, then flip and repeat. Then let it sit upright on a rag to allow excess to drip off the wheels(overnight), then wipe the wheels well. Oily wheel treads aren't good for traction.

Any rust, oil and wait for rust to soak some then agitate with a brass brush, wipe clean, repeat. Doing this repeatedly, over time the rust will vanish. (The tender body rust needs a different approach)

 The motor shaft needs some too, but go extremely light, a tiny drop only, for the brush plate's side so it just wets the shaft some, but doesn't wet the armature plate and brushes (OK if oil gets there, but it tends to collect brush dust, eventually gunking up the plate gaps, then you have to clean. When dry, the dust tends to fly off) Finally a dab of grease on the gears teeth till they are greased.

Any power supply 75w or more will do the trick. In fact, it can even run on DC volts. (Whistle tenders need AC volts, the loco won't be picky) I will suggest if you use a modern one to make sure it has pure sine wave output. Some things in the world of model trains insist on it. 75w is usually good for a small-medium track size (40'-ish total).

 In my opinion its far better to buy more power than you really need, than finding out you need more later. You just don't hear, "darn I bought too big a transformer", unless they are speaking about  the footprint or height.

ZW is Lionel's Best, any era.

I was able to open the zip file on my PC just now.  The set looks great!  You even have the box! I have 3 259e engines. They all ran great with just a little cleaning and lubrication.  Does yours have a lever on top?  If so, it has an electronic reversing unit. I used a newer transformer than yours, but I have one like yours from an old Marx set that still works fine.

George

George S posted:

I was able to open the zip file on my PC just now.  The set looks great!  You even have the box! I have 3 259e engines. They all ran great with just a little cleaning and lubrication.  Does yours have a lever on top?  If so, it has an electronic reversing unit. I used a newer transformer than yours, but I have one like yours from an old Marx set that still works fine.

George

Yes, there is a lever on top of the engine  

 

Randy H posted:
George S posted:

I was able to open the zip file on my PC just now.  The set looks great!  You even have the box! I have 3 259e engines. They all ran great with just a little cleaning and lubrication.  Does yours have a lever on top?  If so, it has an electronic reversing unit. I used a newer transformer than yours, but I have one like yours from an old Marx set that still works fine.

George

Yes, there is a lever on top of the engine  

 

That's great! Then you have a 259e with an electric reverse unit (e unit). The lever locks the engine in one direction or allows it to change directions with the brief interruption of power. Some transformers have a direction button. You can just drop the power to zero briefly to activate the e unit. 

There is a small rotating drum in the e- unit. It has fine "finger contacts" that change the brush and field connections to reverse. These parts can also have grease on them. Old grease can be dry, and crumbly, getting under the fingers preventing contact, or blocking rotation of the drum. If you can, inspect it for dried grease. I use a toothpick to see if its soft or "rocky". Be careful of bending the fingers. A good quality electronics spray cleaner can usually remove the old grease without any disassembly of the unit. Research your choice, some cleaners can take the lacquer right of the coil windings. (If you have one of the few Radio Shacks left near you, they carry a safe version.) Only a slight grease film is really needed on the drum here. Rebuild kits are available for most, if not all e units.

Marx called it an R unit. I often wonder if E stood for electric, or if it was an early typo by typewriter and they just ran with it, lol.

Oil with automotive oil, not the light household stuff. Synthetic is OK. Plastic safe a bonus. The #1 suggested grease today is often Lucas Red & Tacky, also at most automotive parts stores and isles.

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