PRR single door boxcar

Pardon my ignorance, but I thought MTH only offered PS-1 boxcars, however Atlas O actually offered the TRUE & CORRECT PRR X-29 boxcars.

Note: I am looking for prototype photos of this exact PRR X29 version.

There are no prototype photos since the MTH model is not an X29.  It's a boxcar, it's lettered for PRR but that is about where the similarity ends.  The Atlas model is accurate.

Thanks BOB. Although those MTH boxcars are really nice, I was pretty sure that they are NOT PRR X-29s. I have a number of the Atlas PRR X-29s, which are super looking cars, especially the "high speed" special express cars which even have the steam conduits on each end!

MTH advertised those as 40' AAR boxcars.

My apologies, I had missed that in your original post. To be honest, this is why I have chosen to liquidate my MTH Premier rolling stock collection and stick to Atlas O. Just too many instances where they take a specific class of freight car and incorrectly represent it with generic designs.

But in reality, it is NOT a "correct" X-29 boxcar!

They do that with cabooses too.

 Note: I am looking for prototype photos of this exact PRR X29 version.

 

As others have posted this is a model of a 1937 AAR box car.  I am not an PRR freight car expert but the MTH model is likely close (and certainly close in overall dimensions) to an early car from among the 4500 rebuilt into X-29Bs.

There are no prototype photos since the MTH model is not an X29.  It's a boxcar, it's lettered for PRR but that is about where the similarity ends.  The Atlas model is accurate.

 

Atlas O actually offered the TRUE & CORRECT PRR X-29 boxcars.

 

Those statements should be tempered with the knowledge that there were many, many original and rebuilt versions of the X29 over the decades.

Be advised that the Atlas X29 model is based on an early X29 with small dimensions.  There were several later rebuilt versions that used old X29 underframes with new bodies of greater height and width.  The link below is the best on line reference that I have found on the PRR X29 series.  Look at the photo section and you will get an idea of how different a "X29" box car could be.  The early X29s like the Atlas versions are about the size of a USRA box car while the X29D and X29E resemble much larger post-war AAR box cars.

http://prr.railfan.net/freight...spage.html?class=X29

Pardon my ignorance, but I thought MTH only offered PS-1 boxcars

The first box car model put out in the MTH Premier line was a 40 foot PS-1 although MTH never advertised it that way.  MTH now makes about a dozen different Premier box car models.  The 40 footers are the PS-1, 1937 AAR and USRA single and double sheathed cars.

To be honest, this is why I have chosen to liquidate my MTH Premier rolling stock collection and stick to Atlas O. Just too many instances where they take a specific class of freight car and incorrectly represent it with generic designs.

 

Atlas has put out many "kinda close" versions of generic models too.  I know Hill Lines freight cars well enough to feel comfortable saying that most of the O scale Great Northern box cars that Atlas has offered over the last 15 years have the wrong roof and ends for the cars that they purport to represent.  A few are just totally dimensionally wrong.

Whether its Atlas, Lionel, MTH, Weaver or others, all the manufactures put out dozens of close enough (for them) box cars.  If you know your prototype and evaluate each model you can decide if it is close enough for you before purchasing. 

I am not an PRR freight car expert but the MTH model is likely close (and certainly close in overall dimensions) to an early car from among the 4500 rebuilt into X-29Bs.

Regarding the original poster's original request that he is looking for photos of "this exact PRR X29 version" I stand by my original answer that there are no photos because the MTH model is NOT an X-29. 

Ted, you're a great guy and you are exactly correct in that you are not a PRR freight car expert.  The MTH model is not close to any of the versions of the X29.  All versions: original, A, B, C, D, E, F, G, H, K and L had straight sills on the bottom while the MTH car does not.  Later versions of the X29 were stenciled with their new class, like X29D.  The MTH car is lettered as an X29.  Regarding your "overall dimensions" comment, I can find a brick that is the same overall dimensions as an X29E but it won't be a very good model. 

You are also correct in that we modelers should do our research before purchasing any equipment from any of the manufacturers.  In the case of the Atlas X29, it was designed by Middle Division with input from the PRR Technical and Historical Society so it is as accurate as the prototype equipment diagrams and photos used to produce it.

Bob

Thanks for chiming in.  As I said, I know the Hill Lines well but PRR prototype rolling stock is not my specialty.  Any additional info you can add would be most welcome. 

I agree that the X29s from Atlas are well researched and nicely done.   That isn't always the case regardless of manufacturer.  I have a few beautifully decorated box cars with prototypical paint schemes and authentic car numbers.  They are nicely detailed with well executed grab irons, ladders and running boards.  They aren't X29s but they are from Atlas.  They don't even match the dimensions of a brick scaled from the prototype.    I'm not sure how one would categorize them as models. 

The prr.railfan.net site that I linked above says of the X29B that they were rebuilt between 1940 and 1950 and had "Corrigated Roof & ends". The photos of X29Bs on that site show improved dreadnought ends and diagonal panel roofs which would have come on the market in the later years of the rebuild program.  Early X29Bs could not have had those roofs and ends since they had not been manufactured yet.  Were Viking roofs used on some early X29Bs?  If so, the MTH or the less common version of the Atlas ARR box car would be a good candidate for an X29B stand in.  For the later X29E the Atlas Trainman box car would seem to be the closest starting point.

The MTH car is lettered as an X29. 

I can't see the class lettering in Pro Hobbies photo.  Do you have a better photo or one of these models?  Do you have a reference that would show if PRR 6229 was applied to an X29 or any of the X29 sub classes?  If PRR 6229 is not an X29 car number any idea where it might have come from?  As a PRR fan do you have any additional on line references to recommend to those interested in accurate car types and road numbers?

Thanks for all the info. 

 

        

                   

         

 

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MTH Premier 20-90199

 

Now that it has been determined that this car has incorrect lettering I may need to remove the reference to X29 and replace the lettering.

 

 

Any suggestions?

Just my opinion but, if I wanted a CORRECT PRR X-29 boxcar, I would purchase an Atlas piece. There still must be some of those out there someplace.

Not sure of this - is not the Lionel X714 box an X29?  If so, the Williams repro is showing up on eBay for as low as $70, which is ok for a brass car.

Pro

If you are planning to repaint the car I would consider C&O, Erie of NKP.  The Van Sweringen Lines were fond of Viking roofs.

http://www.steamerafreightcars.../1937aarpdfmain.html

I'm curious if our PRR experts can provide more info on early X29B rebuilds.  Did any of them have Viking roofs?

For those interested in the Atlas X29 they can be found in the six Atlas product announcements....

http://www.atlaso.com/ox29boxcar.htm

http://www.atlaso.com/ox29boxcar1.htm

http://www.atlaso.com/ox29boxcar2.htm

http://www.atlaso.com/ox29boxcar3.htm

http://www.atlaso.com/ox29boxcar4.htm

http://www.atlaso.com/ox29boxcar5.htm

...or under Middle Division on the special runs page.

http://www.atlaso.com/specialruns.htm

MTH Premier 20-90199 single door boxcar

First appeared in:     2005 Volume 1

This car is part of a set of 6 cars issued by MTH.  Where did they get the artwork for this set?  Are the road numbers printed on the cars actually PRR numbers?  

What difference does it make, since those boxcars are NOT PRR X29 cars anyway?

I have Atlas 'O' Master Line Series PRR X29 box cars that are modeled and marked very close to the real PRR box car, as are shown in PRR photos.

I find with Lionel, MTH and yes, even Weaver Models, that most of their box cars are of the PS-1 shape and size, regardless of what railroad and type of box car, these companies claim that their box cars are to represent!
What, makes me laugh is, when manufacturers produce a freight car that never existed in real life, just to sell their product.

I call these kind of freight cars fantasy scheme/dream cars!!!!
Ralph 

Bob, Ted and Hot Water,

You are all correct in your analogies of the true X29 box car's shape and size and that Atlas 'O' makes a truer X29 box car, in all aspects, than most others.

As, I have previously posted, that I model the PRR and I have researched the various freight cars of the PRR, to agree with you Gentlemen.

Ted, you have some collection of extensively, researched reference materials.

Ralph

Seems to me that unless it looks something like this:

it ain't an X29...

Rusty