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Redwards wondered in another thread about such a ride.

 

In August, 2002 Dover Harbor and open platform observation MKT 403 traveled together cross country to the NRHS Convention in Williams, Arizona. At the time, Amtrak was running MHC cars behind the passenger consist. We went on the Capitol Limited to Chicago, and then the California Zephyr to Emeryville. MHC's were behind all the way to Denver. At Denver, one MHC had to be switched out, and the conductor came to us and asked if we wished to be positioned on the rear, behind the MHC's. The problem was the MHCs did not have HEP pass-through, so if we did that, we'd have to rely on generator power for AC, lights, etc. We wondered if the generator would handle the load across the Nevada desert. Did we want scenery or assured comfort? What would YOU choose? Of course we chose scenery, and I have some wonderful shots from the open platform. Yes, the AC did fail leaving Nevada, but we didn't care.We then went down to Los Angeles on the Coast Starlight, on the rear.

 

So, here are a few photos from the part of the trip where MKT 403 was on the rear, Denver to Los Angeles.

 

First, at Denver and climbing the Front Range.

 

 

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Through the Fraser river Canyon and a friendly wave at Granby.

 

 

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A happy rider across Central Colorado. A large fire was happening to the North. The scenery turned orange, and after we'd cleared the smoke, it looked like a cloud bank behind us.

 

 

 

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Glenwood Canyon and West to Sunset. BNSF has trackage rights West of Grand Junction.

 

 

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I got up early in the morning to see sunrise over the Bonneville Salt Flats in Utah. I was alone on the back platform. It was cold, desolate, quiet, except for the whine of the wheels on the rail, and beautiful. it still ranks as one of the most memorable hours of my life.

 

 

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Along the Humbolt River in Nevada. A friendly weave at Sparks. Reno, "Biggest Little City in the West." Then it was up into California along the Truckee.

 

 

 

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We pass the Eastbound Zephyr, and see that there are still snow sheds in the Sierra Nevadas. Dude, this IS the way to travel!

 

 

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We were not allowed to stay aboard the cars in Oakland, one of two places where we had to go to a hotel. Next morning, this switcher brought the cars into Jack London Square to join the Coast Starlight.

 

 

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Down the Coast line, past the Ghost town at Drawbridge. Then past freights and we finally reached the Pacific shoreline. By then, it was getting cold, and the rear platform became distinctly uncomfortable, especially with dinner awaiting. I regret not getting more photos along the shore, but we were running late and it was getting dark.

 

 

 

 

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We occupied the cars overnight in Los Angeles Union Passenger Terminal yards. The next day was on to Williams on the NRHS special Train, but BNSF prohibited platform riding, except for crew. Still, my open platform ride remains one of the highlights of my railroading adventures.

 

 

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Super photos!

 

Father in law has just got back from a trip on the Rocky mountaineer. Has some great pics taken from the open observation platform. He said that he tried getting shots from the dome cars but the distortion from the glass was a problem.

 

I am looking forward to seeing more of his photos, he did mention he really enjoyed talking with the other guys on the platform and he developed a taste for Glenfiddich single malt at the same time. Sounds like he had a great time.

 

He's not a rail fan but i think he's getting interested.

 

Nick

Great work as always, Bill.

During our recent cross-country Amtrak trip (NE corridor from NYC to DC, Capitol Limited to Chicago, Empire Builder to Seattle, Cascades to home) I kept hoping someone would hook some private varnish onto the end of our train just for the heck of it. But most of all, I would have truly loved to have made that entire trip in a private car.

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Mark S, you may be right! I looked in the AAPRCO guide from a few years back. It says MKT 403 was built on 1914 as a coach and made into a business car 1946-48. It mentions both Presidents Truman and Johnson as guests when it was owned by MKT. It also mentions Presidents Carter and Clinton aboard in recent years!  It was also the observation car at one point for the 1999-2000 tour of the US Postal Service "Celebrate the Century Express."

 

Wow, this makes the experience even more meaningful.

 

Originally Posted by BANDOB:

"Is this the private car that is owned by the Marshall family? John Marshall usually resides in the main bedroom."

 

It is, and Dr. Marshall was aboard. 

Thanks. I was pretty sure that was the same open observation car that we had all the way from Portland. OR to Train Festival in Owosso, MI back in 2009. It was coupled right behind our crew sleeper, and wi usually had breakfast each morning with Dr. Marshall's son John. Great folks.

Great pictures Bill. That has to be one of the most scenic runs in the country.

 

I got to ride some vintage narrow-gauge open-end platform cars from Kalgoorlie to Perth in 1969, when they were still in regular service! All the cars had open-end platforms, plus wood bodies and truss-rod frames, which seemed rather out-of-date for cars built about 1919. This was just a few months before the standard-gauge passenger service was run through to Perth after a new passenger station was built there, eliminating the change-of-train at Kalgoorlie. 

 

The photos are from a visit to the Bassendean rail museum in Perth in 2009, showing the same type of cars we rode in 1969.

 

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If you ever get the chance to ride the Grand Canyon RR, I suggest spending a little extra and riding the business car. My wife and I went the last year of daily steam operation and rode in that car. It was funny, as we were the youngest people in the car by several years and I was almost 40 at the time!

Shots can be found of the experience here: youtube.com/watch?v=Oe98FO7txqc

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p51: We actually did ride the Grand Canyon Railway with the entire convention train. However, MKT 403 had a pair of Amtrak units behind it, for HEP power I believe. Photo taken at a photo stop for a run-by. I had to leave early and missed the convention train going from Williams to the Canyon behind ATSF 3751.

 

 

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That's quite the rainbow train, like early Amtrak! Is it a rather slow ride?

 

We visited the Grand Canyon in fall 1968 and I remember seeing the Grand Canyon passenger station all derelict and disused. Nice to see how it has made a comeback, to help relieve auto congestion there.

Originally Posted by Ace:
Is it a rather slow ride?

I didn't think so. I don't recall the speed exactly, but I think we were going about 40 or so.

Just found an employee handbook at a train show last weekend, I could (and probably should) look up the speed limits.

The train is popular because it reallyis more convenient than driving. You don't have to worry about parking, entrance fees or congestion on the roads. The train drops you off at the beautiful station, right in the center of the areas visitors wanna go to.

We did a package deal, drove down from Vegas from the flight, stayed overnight in their hotel ay Williams, boarded the train, stayed overnight (at a corner balcony room at El Tovar, an amazing experience and worth every penny) and took the train back the next afternoon.

Back then, you rode steam one way and diesels the other. It was off season, so we asked to change our departure behind steam. Got back sooner and rode behind steam each way.

My wife, who's not a huge train fan, loved it and has said she'd like to go back with snow on the ground, doing the exact same trip.

Sorry for the misdirection of this thread...
 
Originally Posted by p51:
Just found an employee handbook at a train show last weekend, I could (and probably should) look up the speed limits.

I did this last night, and in the 90s, the speed limit was around 30 at the fastest portion, 25 in several spots, and 20 in others. Naturally, it's a lot slower at either depot area. they noted the max speed for anything is 40, but no locomotives were noted as being rated to go that fast anywhere on their main. I guess they might have been referring to any Amtrak-certified specials or high-railers?

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