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Since the prices of LEDs bulbs are finally dropping into the affordable range, I thought it would be an appropriate time to revisit the lighting in my train room. The room is not quite 24’ x 14’. I presently have my modular layout set up in it, but future plans are for an around the room wall mounted layout. Current lighting consists of 8 dual 4’ tube fixtures, 40 watts per tube, at least 30 years old. These are mounted in the drop ceiling, and are on one circuit. I planned ahead when I put the wiring in and have 2 additional circuits in the ceiling that are blanked off with nothing on them at the moment.

My original thinking was to have track lighting connected to the 2 circuits and install dimmers.  I eventually realized the wattage and subsequent heat load was going to be tremendous.  I thought about halogens, but have rejected them for being too hot as well. CFLs were an idea, but I have not seen any that are spotlights.

 Which leads me to LEDs: These are definitely more energy efficient, very directional, and available in the 5000K range. All good so far. But what if I want an evening or night scene? I can get dimmable LED bulbs, but here is where it gets interesting. Dimming an LED does NOT change the color temperature of the light, like an incandescent. Instead, it just gets dim. So much for a pretty sunset.  The only way I see to create an evening sky is to have red blue and white LEDs available, each on their own dimmer. Then I can play until I get the desired effect. Problem is, I have only 2 circuits available, unless I get rid of the fluorescents completely. So how best to proceed? Mix the LEDs and fluorescents, or ditch the old stuff all together? Flood lights? Spot lights? How many of each color? Your thoughts? Any better ideas?

 

Chris

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We have converted most of our home's lights to LED in either 3000k or 5000k. They are all dimmable but we have no dimmers, I had no idea they had a problem with dimming or were different than other lighting in that way?

 

What about 1 of your light circuits with 5000k for day and one with say 2700k or 3000k for your night lighting and switch back and forth on the circuits for the different day/night lighting. Of course I have no idea if the 2700-3000k's will dim any better that the others, but might provide a softer lighting?

 

I only have the 2 tube 4' fluorescent lights in the basement for my train area, no LED's, no dimmers. I'm not ready for night operations there yet. The LED dimming is something to think about for my setup in the future as well, I suppose.

We used 30+ CFL's at 5000k, 23 watt, dimmable, and couldn't be happier. Why would you want a spot light? I tried those on my switching layout, but the light is focused on 1 small spot. The flood lights work out much better, whether it's a CFL or an LED.

 

2 circuits is plenty but if you want to create night, day, and sunsets, that's a bit more complicated. $20-$30 for a dimmable CFL or LED is the normal price range...dimmable causing the increase from a standard CFL or LED, but well worth the extra expense up front. 

 

 

I've switched entirely to LEDs.  In the train room I have 16 10w BAR30 (700 lumens) dimmable bulbs in my 28' x 14' trainroom which I purchased at Sam's Club.  They were about $12 to $13 each. 

 

The total light output is 11,200 lumens which is equal to 10 100w incandescent bulbs. I used track lighting system to position the lights about the room.  What is nice is that they all fit sole available circuit!  The lack of heat is very noticeable. 

 

You can find light changing LED bulbs.  Do a search on google/Amazon for "color changing LED bulbs."  It appears that you can remotely select from a 16-color pallet.  The wattages are low but for night scenes that is okay.  Prices are $10 and up.

 

Jan

 

 

Perhaps you can do both. There are 4' LED tubes available to replace the fluorescents.

They require that you gut the fixtures of the ballasts and only use the twist contacts. The bulbs have the voltage regulators built in. These are not inexpensive, but may, after all factors are considered, be a cost effective improvement. Utilizing the existing wiring, fixtures, switches and such could be a significant cost savings

 

Then you could install the track lighting for accent areas in the warmer colors or mixed colors, allowing you to turn off the 4' circuits and light with the tracks for effect.

 

Also, consider that the best CFL's or LED's do not emit 100% of the temperature that they are listed. 83-89% is about the best performance that I have seen.

 

eBay sellers have the rolls of tape leds and combinations of colors with controllers and power supplies at affordable prices that could be used to create scenic lighting effects.

 

It's cool that one can consider lighting as design element for the layout today at affordable and energy efficient prices. It was once only museum type layouts that could employ lighting in the presentation.

 

I have the tracks and dimmable floods CFL's at 5000k now. Train budget is going for trains as the lights are acceptable and LED's can wait.

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Last edited by Mill City

You could use the strips of LED tricolor lights. I have used these to edge light cast glass decorative walls. they include a control to generate any color you want. They are available in 12 or 24 volt styles. Most good lighting stores will have a display that you can use to see the color range. Unfortunately the price for the number of linear feet needed to archive a sunset effect in a large room would be high.

For general illumination, I switched out our fluorescent fixtures for Utilitech (big box store house brand) 48" LED 40w fixtures, 4000ºK, NOT dimmable, 3200 lumens, 35,000 hours, $70 each.  These provide great color temp for when I am working on the layout.

 

For running trains, the 48" fixtures are turned off, and I have a second circuit with 18 (and need to add about 8 more) American DJ stage can fixtures ($30/pair online).  They come with cheap Chinese lamps, which I trashed immediately and replaced with 8PAR20 Lighting Science Definity dimmable LED 3000ºK 550 lumen floods ($17 each online).  The stage cans are black, so they disappear into the dark ceiling and all are on a dimmer - for night scenes, or evening scenes, can insert photographic lighting gels for any color that I wish.

 

I previously used Apple Hue Phillips LEDs - their color change capabilities are very nice for nite or sunrise/sunset, but they are $60 _each_ and are just too dim for my tastes.

 

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