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No question Eric is doing a great job on this project, I like the sprung bolsters although I notice one end of the bolster is bent up,[ I am sure that will be corrected ]I also like the true I beam frame. For those investing in this project it appears they can look forward to an outstanding model. I would assume that future models could include DCC and Sound if the market will support it. JMO

"For those that may not be aware, Eric has been working with REAL EMD MANUFACTURING DRAWINGS, so unless one is familiar with REAL EMD diesel units, it just might not be helpful to point out "presumed defects" in Eric's components."

Oh really!
Does Erik know that the main reservoir glad hand is "Right Handed"? An extremely common mistake on models.

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Hot Water posted:
Matt Makens posted:

I just asked him about it and that part of the bolster is angled, it's not bent that's the way it's supposed to be

 

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For those that may not be aware, Eric has been working with REAL EMD MANUFACTURING DRAWINGS, so unless one is familiar with REAL EMD diesel units, it just might not be helpful to point out "presumed defects" in Eric's components.

Not questioning the prototypical accuracy of the truck bolster plate but in the original posters  images #100849 and #100857 the leg of the "H" shaped bolster plate closest to the front appears to be bent slightly upward while the remaining 3 legs appear to lay flat on the truck frame, not talking about the angle finish in the top posted view above, just looks like that to me.

Big Jim posted:

"For those that may not be aware, Eric has been working with REAL EMD MANUFACTURING DRAWINGS, so unless one is familiar with REAL EMD diesel units, it just might not be helpful to point out "presumed defects" in Eric's components."

Oh really!
Does Erik know that the main reservoir glad hand is "Right Handed"? An extremely common mistake on models.

Such details do NOT show on EMD production and assembly drawings. That falls under special assembly written instructions.

Matt Makens posted:

Another common mistake is people criticizing PILOT MODELS. They're polit models so you can find the mistakes.

Criticizing pilot or even polite models is in fact a means to note mistakes - catch them now vs. next year.  There is such a thing as constructive criticism, although that does seem a forgotten concept in today's terms of polite discourse and conversation.

bob2 posted:

One might use care when using factory drawings.  Key was going to use the nose profile of the PA from factory drawings.  It took photos to counter that.

No better advice could be given to manufacturers.   More than a few have been bitten by building models to builders plans that don't accurately portray any of the prototypes that were actually built by the builders.

 

 

 

 

 

I agree but offering criticism to a third party not involved in corrections or decision making is a pointless effort. His email is on his website so if you see any thing you feel is in error I'm sure he'd appreciate the heads up. Telling me doesn't do anything. I leave it up to the guy with stones to build the models to do the homework and get the details right. I'm sure there are all kinds of errors on these and I'm also sure he has everyone of them on a list to be corrected. 

Im a customer for 2 of these bad boys and I'm super stoked to get em. The point of the post was to show the progress. And I think he's doing a phenomenal frickin job. I don't think I've seen any diesel with this level of detail

Matt Makens posted:

Another common mistake is people criticizing PILOT MODELS. They're polit models so you can find the mistakes. Where's your brass models? Everybody can do it better.

Hmmm, seems as though I asked a question. "Does Erik know that the main reservoir glad hand is "Right Handed"? An extremely common mistake on models."

Matt,
Since I don't have any interest in this model and you do, I thought that I would point out that the main reservoir glad hand is wrong so you can pass the info along and get what you pay for. Looks like if you can get the lettering on the brake wheel, you should be able to get a proper glad hand. And, you better not leave it up to a "guy with stones" to get things right because little details like this DO get overlooked or worse, ignored. 

mwb posted:
Matt Makens posted:

Another common mistake is people criticizing PILOT MODELS. They're polit models so you can find the mistakes.

Criticizing pilot or even polite models is in fact a means to note mistakes - catch them now vs. next year.  There is such a thing as constructive criticism, although that does seem a forgotten concept in today's terms of polite discourse and conversation.

+1.  Builders have so many things on their plate it's easy to miss some obvious mistakes, so I think they appreciate hearing about the ones that can be corrected before they go to production. As long as comments are made in the right way there should be nothing wrong with pointing out errors or "presumed errors". As long as the comments and discussions don't denigrate into (fill in the blank) is better than yours and stays on subject its good. 

 

BH

You are correct Jim, its an entirely different casting. Ive pointed out some things to Erik including the glad hand which he is aware of he says his list of errors on these models is long. Jim dont take any of my previous comments personally, they are not. There are a lot of naysayers and nit pickers trolling the inter-web and I do appreciate constructive criticism but I dont want things turning into slam fest about whats correct and whats not.

Pretty much the same procedure that all major importers have done for decades. Drawings are the starting point, but actual inspection and measuring of components and details makes the difference whether a model will be good or great. OMI always did prototype inspections and the other majors did the same. This is one of those expenses buyers may not be aware of, but research can be time consuming and costly. 

 

BH

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