The Hudson

Can never have enough Hudsons.  I have three and looking forward to more.

Here's our K-Line No 5344

I forgot that we used to have the older first full scale Hudson by MTH too - a beautiful model (below)

Here are the two Hudson's side by side - MTH foreground and our other K-Line No 5343 to the rear.

Wish I had photographed all three of them together...

C-Sam, great pictures....In my opinion, the K Line Hudson was the vert Best Buy for the dollar. Actually Lionel should remake it...Thanks for the pictures. Maybe we can cross paths at York in April...

NYC FAN, WOW, You have a Roundhouse Full of Fun to Run Locomotives. I really like your Layout. I like the NYC Hudsons, also I like the Sante Fe Texas Northerns. These locomotives add lots of entertainment when pulling long passenger or freight consist....Thank You for the Beautiful Pictures...

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Hudsons in many  gauges:

1 Gauge

0 Gauge

S Gauge

H0 Gauge

N Gauge

And more model and toy NYC Hudsons, also streamlined versions, here in this e-book I made:

A catalogue of LNER Pacifics and New York Central Hudsons

Regards

Fred

Here are few less photographed.

The grand daddy.

MTH

MTH

MTH

Williams

3rd Rail

Lionel

Pete

No room on my layout for an O Gauge Hudson. I do have a HO Rivarossi Hudson that Santa brought me when  I was 8. It was VERY well used on my old HO layouts. Probably my favorite. It shares Christmas tree duty with my PE Berkshire now.

I am jealous of all of your collections.

Bob

Guess we're all entitled to a Hudson post every once in awhile here on the forum.

Here's one I did awhile ago before I sold my Vision 700E and Legacy Empire State - I kind of regret selling the former, but hopefully a much better condition one will pop up in the future...hopefully.

From front to back: 1990 1-700E, Century Club 773, Vision 700E, and Legacy Empire State.

Still waiting on that Legacy unstreamlined J3A Lionel...

Hey Pete (Norton)  that's a handsome collection of not often seen Hudsons for certain!

I agree - what a nice thread!

Personally, the 700-E is my favorite.  I have only the 763, a converted MTH, a Scale Craft, and a scratch Dreyfuss using a Williams boiler.  Some day I will find that 1-700E and convert it.

I had forgotten how small the MTH cylinder block was - Pete's pictures show that.  I replaced mine with All Nation brass.

Pardon the quick-and-dirty snapshots below that I just took for this post.

Pre-War Lionel OO-scale (1:76), 2-rail version. I have no track or any other OO equipment, except some die-cast OO-scale Scale-Craft cabooses.

From my "Collection of Tiny NYC Hudsons"; front to back: N - Con-Cor; HO - Marx; OO - Lionel (above shot); S - American Flyer: 

(No photo, but I also have an MTH 1:32 J3a on display - not a "tiny Hudson".) 

Then there are the O-scale ones. Please. Make it stop.

One of two of my Lionel 5344 Hudsons and one of two of my Lionel 5342 OO Hudsons, one two rail other three rail

Hello Follow Hudson fans

  My current favorite Hudson is a  Mi- Loco / Mini Scale  designed by Lee Green and Congress Tool late 1936 / early 37 . Scaled to proper O gauge   17/64th's ...so it would tower over a 700E  at 1/4" .  Designed to run on outside 3rd rail ... and from the video  to can see  operator assist reversing . 

Lee Green also built Hudson's ( and K5's) in  3/8" scale   2 1/2" gauge ?  has any one ever seen one of these ?

Second favorite the Park Train Hudson  castings made in the late 20's / 30's by Thomas Randall  of the greater Chicago-land area .  Castings were made to "Standard or K Gauge " use  ( K gauge early reference to 1 gauge ) . Randall also went on to make castings for a string of Pullmans which have been  recast over the years.  

Please see link to the Randall Hudson running with 4 of his "shorter" Pullmans ...the long ones are 28" in length !

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f3jTS6YKRxk

Cheers Carey

Mikado 4501 posted:

Guess we're all entitled to a Hudson post every once in awhile here on the forum.

Here's one I did awhile ago before I sold my Vision 700E and Legacy Empire State - I kind of regret selling the former, but hopefully a much better condition one will pop up in the future...hopefully.

From front to back: 1990 1-700E, Century Club 773, Vision 700E, and Legacy Empire State.

Still waiting on that Legacy unstreamlined J3A Lionel...

Thomas, as the buyer of your VL 700E I am curious about this statement, "hopefully a much better condition one will pop up in the future...hopefully." I mean, aside from the nicks in the paint where your repairman wasn't careful on the ashpan, she looks like new to me. Anyway, water under the bridge.

As for the subject at hand, although no photos yet, I have the 1990 700E, both K-line TMCC scale models, the 1950 773, the CCII Empire State Express, the scale J3 and of course, the VL 700E.

Mike

ezmike posted:

Thomas, as the buyer of your VL 700E I am curious about this statement, "hopefully a much better condition one will pop up in the future...hopefully." I mean, aside from the nicks in the paint where your repairman wasn't careful on the ashpan, she looks like new to me. Anyway, water under the bridge.

Glad to hear you're still enjoying it, Mike. And mostly my remarks come from the box lid that was falling apart and those few marks you mentioned... I'm kind of a condition freak sometimes.

I started off in this hobby with the Lionmaster stuff. The Lionmaster hudson was a decent representation for semi-scale loco.

Currently my only scale hudson:

I'm also on the list of folks waiting for a legacy version of Lionels 50th anniversary unstreamlined j3a.

Great photos of your Hudsons guys!  My favorite engine, so I have to get in on this one.  This is my Scale Craft "J-1D" MCRR #8220 easing out onto the turn table.

I have to admit that I resisted the urge to buy a Hudson for a looooooong time.  The first breach in my defensive wall was a forlorned Flyer set with a 322 and some passenger cars.  The next breach was the Lionel 785 grey Hudson.  But the event that brought the wall tumbling down was "The Christmas of 4 Hudsons."  From back to front is the MTH ESE, K Line 5344, Williams Dreyfuss, and Lionel 763 with Vandy tender.  Now I have 9 in total including 2 with PT tender.

Rolland

In Thoroughbreds New York Central's Hudson by Alvin F. Stauffer he has a chapter on which NYC class Hudson's were the engineer's favorite. And none of the men quoted were fans of the J1e's. Turns out the 5344 was built with some kind of assembly problem and had excess ware of its reciprocating parts. NYC proper only had 2 J1e the rest were allocated to the Big Four without water scoops. The super Hudson J3a as well as the J1d were looked on favorably by the engineers.  Never less I own a Lionel 785 and a K-Line J1e - the latter is very scale except only partial cylinder boiler.

ns1001 posted:

In Thoroughbreds New York Central's Hudson by Alvin F. Stauffer he has a chapter on which NYC class Hudson's were the engineer's favorite. And none of the men quoted were fans of the J1e's. Turns out the 5344 was built with some kind of assembly problem and had excess ware of its reciprocating parts. NYC proper only had 2 J1e the rest were allocated to the Big Four without water scoops. The super Hudson J3a as well as the J1d were looked on favorably by the engineers. 

Guess it's ironic that the least comfortable Hudsons to engineers are now the most mass produced models of the locomotives in O gauge...

A train collector without a scale Hudson is like a car without a radio-LOL!   In all seriousness, the Lionel scale Hudson is my favorite steam locomotive of all time and I have two American made 5340's that pulls a complete 20th Century Ltd passenger consist.

Mikado 4501 posted:

ezmike posted:

Thomas, as the buyer of your VL 700E I am curious about this statement, "hopefully a much better condition one will pop up in the future...hopefully." I mean, aside from the nicks in the paint where your repairman wasn't careful on the ashpan, she looks like new to me. Anyway, water under the bridge.

Glad to hear you're still enjoying it, Mike. And mostly my remarks come from the box lid that was falling apart and those few marks you mentioned... I'm kind of a condition freak sometimes.

Thomas,

Ah yes the box, now that was another story all together.

Mike

Don't hold your breath.  The various silver paint attempts to match stainless are un-matchable.  Opinion.  I use bare aluminum extrusions.

One of my favorite O Gauge Hudsons, that I don't think anyone has mentioned, is the Williams Masterpiece Series J3a #5430 made in 1995.

J Daddy posted:

The ONLY Hudson bug that bit me was the famous Dreyfuss Hudson. My Dad would tell me when he was a kid, his Uncle would drive him to see it race by on the water level route  near Loraine Ohio. I purchased a Lionel TMCC version and I am still waiting for the cars. The 18 inch K line ones did not match!

 

I feel your pain regarding passenger cars. I have an ATSF 3460 "Blue Goose" and would like to find a nice set of 21" passenger cars for it. Fortunately, there isn't a color match issue as it either pulled heavyweights or stainless steel streamline cars. Interesting thing about Santa Fe's Hudsons is that the first ones were converted Pacifics (3450 is at the Los Angeles County Fairgrounds). The 3460 series were built as Hudsons and (if I recall correctly) had larger fireboxes.

Did someone say Hudsons ?  Still have a few to collect, but here is a start.....        The K Line 5344 and Williams 5450 have been converted with ERR to TMCC and RS.  Do not plan on running the MTH or Lionel Gold Anniversary engines, so wont convert the MTH to TMCC.

Jesse   TCA   12-68275

Hudsons are my favorite!

Lionel Smithsonian Dreyfuss Hudson:

Regards

Fred

Great thread. Lots of great  scale Hudsons mentioned here including pictures of the K-Line, Williams, MTH, Sunset, Lionel (37, 90 and 13) ,the rare Scalecraft and the Mi-Loco True Scale versions. What we don't have a picture of is the Hudson Products Hudson that was a copy of the 5344.  It was probably made in small numbers and I would say only a few Hundred were delivered before the owner went on a "federally paid vacation" for mail fraud.  Anyone know if Right of Way Industries made a scale Hudson?

I don't recall R.O.W. making a Hudson but could have missed it if they did.  Does anyone have a photo of the Hudson Products model?