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Originally Posted by John Pignatelli JR.:
Originally Posted by Matthew:

Guys, I saw Mike Wolf yesterday and he said that the GS-4 Daylights should be shipping in March even though the site says they are due in February. I hope it comes sooner because I'm excited about getting these. I hope the matching passenger set ships the same time.    

 

Yes it was January, then Febuary, now March, it is waiting in line for a slot to open up, He has a lot of european engines to make I am told. The new Gereman engine is supposely selling like Nickle beer. Ok, If I do not get it by March I am going to...wait some more.

 

Originally Posted by Matthew:

It would be nice if someone did a side by side comparison between Lionel's new GS 2 Daylight. 

It wouldn't really be a real apples-to-apples comparison.  There are visual differences between the GS-2 and GS-4 classes of Daylight locomotives.  The GS-2 had an exposed cab (open in the rear) and the GS-4 had fully enclosed "all weather" cabs.  The GS-2 has a single headlight, the GS-4 has a headlight and a MARS (oscillating) light above it.  The GS-2 also had narrower main (connecting) rods on the running gear than the GS-4.  The GS-2 also had smaller diameter driver wheels, although I doubt that MTH or Lionel factored that in with their models.

 

The Lionel GS-4 would be the closer comparison to the MTH GS-4, although the Lionel version uses the same smaller main rods that the GS-2 uses, and they got the Fireball logo backwards on the fireman's side.  From what I've seen the handrails along the boiler also look a bit oversized to me compared to the MTH model.

 

The best visual comparison to size up the MTH or Lionel version is the Sunset/3rd Rail brass version; that one is the best in terms of overall detail and accuracy.

Last edited by John Korling
Originally Posted by John Korling:
Originally Posted by Matthew:

It would be nice if someone did a side by side comparison between Lionel's new GS 2 Daylight. 

It wouldn't really be a real apples-to-apples comparison.  There are visual differences between the GS-2 and GS-4 classes of Daylight locomotives.  The GS-2 had an exposed cab (open in the rear) and the GS-4 had fully enclosed "all weather" cabs.  The GS-2 has a single headlight, the GS-4 has a headlight and a MARS (oscillating) light above it.  The GS-2 also had narrower main (connecting) rods on the running gear than the GS-4.  The GS-2 also had smaller diameter driver wheels, although I doubt that MTH or Lionel factored that in with their models.

 

The Lionel GS-4 would be the closer comparison to the MTH GS-4, although the Lionel version uses the same smaller main rods that the GS-2 uses, and they got the Fireball logo backwards on the fireman's side.  From what I've seen the handrails along the boiler also look a bit oversized to me compared to the MTH model.

 

The best visual comparison to size up the MTH or Lionel version is the Sunset/3rd Rail brass version; that one is the best in terms of overall detail and accuracy.

John, thanks a bunch for sharing all this with us. Actually, one of the reasons I went with the MTH GS4 over Lionels GS2 was the fact that the GS4 had the mars light which to me is something I love in front of an engine. I believe Lionel has gotten better but I also felt that MTH smoke units seem to have more smoke pouring from the stacks. 

 

Originally Posted by Boomer:

I have thought about it a few days and have decided to buy offerings from both Lionel and MTH. I use Legacy and DCS so system isn't a consideration. I'm a complete nut for big steam,especially SP, so I've ordered the three Lionel SP GS-2's and the MTH Black GS2 4444. I got a darn good price on these! IF MTH had offered the GS4 in something other than 4449 (I have the 3rd rail "Definitive GS4 model" of the #4449) I would buy it.

 

I don't have the Lionel Legacy GS4 #4436,I've been on the hunt. for that one!

 

I hope Lionel will rerun the AC-12 with Legacy and new cab numbers.

 

 

Your prayers have been answered ( AC12's).

 

Check out the new Lionel 2014 catalog

Last edited by daylight
Originally Posted by daylight:
Originally Posted by Boomer:

I have thought about it a few days and have decided to buy offerings from both Lionel and MTH. I use Legacy and DCS so system isn't a consideration. I'm a complete nut for big steam,especially SP, so I've ordered the three Lionel SP GS-2's and the MTH Black GS2 4444. I got a darn good price on these! IF MTH had offered the GS4 in something other than 4449 (I have the 3rd rail "Definitive GS4 model" of the #4449) I would buy it.

 

I don't have the Lionel Legacy GS4 #4436,I've been on the hunt. for that one!

 

I hope Lionel will rerun the AC-12 with Legacy and new cab numbers.

 

 

Your prayers have been answered ( AC12's).

 

Check out the new Lionel 2014 catalog

 

 

I would love to Pr-order an AC-12 as they look great in that catalog but I pre-ordered the Visonline Big Boy so I have to watch my spendings..lol 

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