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So as previously stated I bought three Legacy PowerMasters from Charlie, and the old bugaboo about connections  being loose was back to haunt me; especially when using 14ga solid copper wire.

 

Ah, but at work, I have found out about something called a Belleville washer, a conical shaped washer that is normally used as a spring, but also makes a decent lock washer, and doesn't gouch up the surfaces as much.

 

I measure around 0.160 on the OD of the threads, and go to the McMaster-Carr website and found some 4mm Belleville aka spring washer aka conical spring washers, and probably some other names too. Hmm, the 4mm washers come in two outer diameters; if I went to the larger OD, I could use it with a wing nut. I then assume the threads are 8-32 and buy a box of 25 8-32 stainless steel wing nuts. After the shipment arrives, I try one on the Command Base. Hmm, something not right. Take a 8-32 tap and run it thru the wing nut. Try again after clearing the threads, still won't thread on. I also turned the nut on the CB, oops, better get a wrench and hold that nut. None of the SAE mini wrenches fit well, but one of the metric ones fits like a glove. Hmm. 0.160 * 25.4 = 4.064. Or, 4mm / 25.4 = 0.157. Uh oh, these could be metric.

 

Anybody know?

 

I suppose I could get a metric thread gauge. I really should have a metric version of the SAE tap and die set that includes a thread gauge too I suppose.

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Lionel may still be using an old standard thread on those posts, which is 36. You find it on smaller binding posts, like the 022 switches in 4-36. But, 8-32 and 6-32 were the others they typically used since the pre-war days.

 

I hope they didn't go metric.

 

I don't have a powermaster to check. I do have a metric thread gauge, but that doesn't help you.

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Just check my modern ZW-C posts. They are 8-32. or have 32 TPI 

 

Check the Legacy base common post it's like a 6-36 or M5.5, but not enough TPI for an M5.5. It has a 36 TPI

 

An M4 can have ~37 TPI or more

 

Take it to a hardware store and try an M4 nut.

 

No one has 36 as it was an old standard. It's Lionel only as far as I know.

Originally Posted by gunrunnerjohn:

Actually Carl, it's just an old standard.  Other folks used them.

 

http://elderly.com/accessories/items/BPT436.htm

 

 

Yep, the 36 TPI was called "the clockmakers thread". The banjo thing is the first result google returns. usually a specialty use. Try to find a generic binding nut in 36 TPI.

 

It was never used much for general hardware.

 

CW,

Oh well, I guess the metrics will creep in eventually. I learned about the 36 TPI trying to locate something similar to 6SP-5122-076 (4-36) locally at hardware suppliers. Resorted to finding a dealer with a box full of old binding nuts.

 

The metric TPI standard seems to be a "close to" number. have you seen any specific charts?

Thanks for the replies, gents.

 

I was at an Ace Hardware half way to work, trying to find something for work, and I just couldn't bring my self to buying one 4mm nut for 0.13 to the register. (Never mix home and work, just not worth it, and it would open up all sorts of questions with accounting anyways).

 

Maybe over the weekend, another Ace is within walking distance of my house.

 

Another thing - it is possible that wing nuts could touch each other on the PowerMaster.

 

Michael

Originally Posted by illinoiscentral:

Thanks for the replies, gents.

 

I was at an Ace Hardware half way to work, trying to find something for work, and I just couldn't bring my self to buying one 4mm nut for 0.13 to the register. (Never mix home and work, just not worth it, and it would open up all sorts of questions with accounting anyways).

 

Maybe over the weekend, another Ace is within walking distance of my house.

 

Another thing - it is possible that wing nuts could touch each other on the PowerMaster.

 

Michael

Michael,

Take the powermaster with you. You'll have the whole hardware section to sample for a fit.

The answer is ..... the threads are 4mm; but I am still missing something, metric does come coarse and fine pitch. Metric threads are not spec'ed in threads per unit distance, but the reciprocal, distance per revolution.

 

Verified on original Command Base. Did not get around to verifying on the Legacy Power Masters.

 

My local Ace Hardware also has stainless steel 4mm wingnuts, priced at 2.20 each. I think I can do better at McMaster. If it was one, no question, but 7, now wait a minute.

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