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June 18, 2011 10:55 PM

I purchased an Mikes Train House Imperial Big Boy Passenger Set a few years ago and i am looking on expanding the consist. The Smooth side Two Tone Grey passenger cars that originally came with the set I am at a loss to find. So My question is Strictly Opinion Now.

Will the Consist Look right if I Mix The yellow and the Two Tone Grey Cars together in a consist?
 

        Bobbie

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June 19, 2011 6:19 AM

Just do it RR mixed and matched all the time especially when cars were in for repair and they had the passenger bookings
 

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June 19, 2011 1:13 PM

Thanks for the Reply LI Train
 

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June 19, 2011 1:15 PM

how long are those cars? are they heavyweights (3 axle trucks)?
 

Fabulous Forrest at the Brewer Ave & Pacific RR 

 
 
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June 19, 2011 1:24 PM

no these are 4 axle Trucks and 16" in length
MTH Part Number 30-1514P
 

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June 19, 2011 6:03 PM

another route is to find similar cars produced for other roads and have them custom painted. i have done that a lot to build some 11 and 10 car consists.
 

Fabulous Forrest at the Brewer Ave & Pacific RR 

 
 
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June 19, 2011 8:08 PM

Try Ebay. That is where I have found all of the passenger cars I wanted that couldn't be found elsewhere.

Another option is to look for cars made by other manufacturers, which is what I had to do for one of my passenger trains. I initially bought a Williams four car heavyweight set, then bought another Williams coach, five K-Line heavyweights, a Weaver heavyweight RPO and an MTH express boxcar to fill out the consist. The colors don't match up perfectly, but are close enough for me and I have 12 cars for that train now.

To answer your question, I personally wouldn't like the gray cars mixed with the yellow cars. All of my stuff is Union Pacific and I have cars and locos for three different passenger trains. One is a yellow/gray smoothside train, one is a yellow/gray corrogated side train and one is a two-tone gray heavyweight train. It took several years to find all of the stuff I wanted and I am really satisfied with what I have now. The effort to find cars that match is well worth it instead of buying something now that you don't really feel good about.
 

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June 19, 2011 8:23 PM

BB on the UP were FREIGHT engines.

Now, if you are modeling UP's TOP passenger trains, GENERALLY they would be all yellow or TTG. A secondary train could be a mix of everything.

Also consider on the Overland route, UP trains to the west were transfered to the SP. And on the east end, to CNW, then MILW after 1955. I have seen pics of MILW full domes on UP trains.)

Then there were the PRR run through sleepers.....

Study books and pics to get the passenger train YOU want.

Persoannal, I LIKE the TTG. Simple, but dignified!
 

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June 19, 2011 8:42 PM

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Also consider on the Overland route, UP trains to the west were transfered to the SP. And on the east end, to CNW, then MILW after 1955. I have seen pics of MILW full domes on UP trains.)

Then there were the PRR run through sleepers.....


This is correct as at that time U.P. terminated at Omaha and needed to connect to Chicago via other roads. If memory serves me correctly, U.P. required cars from other roads that operated over their system to be painted in their colors. The name of the other road would be present on their equipment. There were probably some exceptions, though I haven't seen any photos with liveries of other roads being operated on U.P. trains. Finding equipment in U.P. colors for other roads on O-gauge trains would probably be difficult.
 

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June 19, 2011 8:53 PM

Yes, the only SP cars NOT repainted into the "Sunset" livery were those running onto the UP. But even then, some non-yellow cars ftom the SP got through.
 

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June 19, 2011 9:25 PM

guys I am not a scale perfectionist. I would just like some more cars to go with this set. I have hunted around and it is hard to find the Two Tone Grey cars. The Yellow cars are very plentiful at this time. My Original Question Remains that in your opinion Should I
1. Stick with the Two Tone Grey and find them when and if I can

2. Combine the Two Tone Grey with a couple of the Yellow Cars

3. Buy a Set of Yellow cars to make a complete Consist.

My main question here was if i had to mix them do you think that they would look right. ?????????????????????????
 

        Bobbie

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June 19, 2011 9:43 PM

hello Bobbie 21921.......
well if that was my set,i would find the cars and have them repainted to two tone grey custom painted. I like the two tone grey colors with either white or silver pin striping and paint the big boy in two tone grey too then you will really have a special train "one of a kind" just my opinion.
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June 19, 2011 9:45 PM

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But even then, some non-yellow cars ftom the SP got through.

I have searched high and low for a photo of some Daylight cars running on the U.P. with no luck. I have two Premier Daylight coaches that I bought to repaint, but they are so nice I am not going to do that. I am going keep the Daylights for that train, but I want to try to find some proof that that was prototypical. Though I'm not a stickler for prototype fidelity, it would be nice to know that there was actually an occasion when Daylight cars were mixed with U.P. equipment. The search will continue.
 

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June 19, 2011 9:49 PM

Bobbie, you don't need to get all worked up. We are merely discussing U.P. passenger operations. Sorry if you feel we highjacked your thread.

I would stay with all TTG or all yellow if it were mine as I mentioned in my first reply to your question. Ideally, go with option #1.
 

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June 19, 2011 9:55 PM

not worked up my friend I am sorry if it appears to be that way. and no I do not feel that you hijacked my thread. I was asking for honest opinions and I got them and for that I appreciate it. So it ends with a search for the Two Tone Grey Passenger cars.

Dominic I did not know that Big Boys were all Freight Engines. I appreciate that bit of info.
 

        Bobbie

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June 19, 2011 9:59 PM

Bobbie.....have you tried the MTH site and look up your set. They may have made some add on cars. If so you may be able to locate them using their product locator.
 
 
 
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June 19, 2011 10:01 PM

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So it ends with a search for the Two Tone Grey Passenger cars.

It may be a long and somewhat difficult process, but after you get all of the cars you want, you'll be happy you put the effort into it. I know this from experience. Good luck with your search.
 

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June 19, 2011 10:50 PM

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Dominic I did not know that Big Boys were all Freight Engines. I appreciate that bit of info.



I can't cite the source right now, but I have read that during the war the Big boys did get used on some heavy troop trains, and it is believed that there were a few cases of a Big boy being used in passenger service when the normal power had mechanical troubles. The Big boys were not intended for passenger service, nor were they ever scheduled for a passenger train, but it seems a couple may have been used in rare instances.

Also, they were not intended for service into Los Angles, but they were cleared for the route, they were also cleared for use into Pocatello, ID, but it never seems to have happened.

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June 20, 2011 11:08 AM

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Originally posted by Mike Norberg:
Bobbie.....have you tried the MTH site and look up your set. They may have made some add on cars. If so you may be able to locate them using their product locator.


yes and unfortunately it comes up as a set the imperial Bigboy passenger set.
I have looked on the MTH site but I am not sure from the pictures which one of the grey sets will match mine there are three if i am not mistaken.
 

        Bobbie

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June 20, 2011 11:11 AM

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Originally posted by Tiffany:
hello Bobbie 21921.......
well if that was my set,i would find the cars and have them repainted to two tone grey custom painted. I like the two tone grey colors with either white or silver pin striping and paint the big boy in two tone grey too then you will really have a special train "one of a kind" just my opinion.
the woman who loves toy trains
Tiffany


Believe me Miss Tiffany I have thought about that too. I do do Repaints myself and decaling but I think for this set I am wanting to find the manufactured ones so that they will all look uniform. I really only want to find a diner/ Sleeper/ and Two more coaches to flesh this set out.
 

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June 21, 2011 12:02 AM

But there was a valley passenger train in CA where it seems the SP used an UP RPO regularly: the OWL.
 

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June 21, 2011 12:04 AM

Part of the fun with a queston like this is to ask in places like this, on the net, and in books. You can learn some history, even if you do not apply it to your layout.

Pullman had some sleepers in TTG, so that could be a sourse of cars.
 

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June 21, 2011 9:24 PM

this has been an entertaining thread and a history lesson as has been said.
I want to thank all who posted replies. I learned something that I didn't know. This is why I love this forum as it teaches us all something in one way or another.
 

        Bobbie

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June 21, 2011 10:01 PM

I do Believe that I will search out the correct cars for this consist. After a brief phone call to MTH I found out the correct part numbers for the Add on Cars for this Set. I have searched around on the dealer network and have found a couple of possible leads. Thanks for all of the responses
 

        Bobbie

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June 21, 2011 10:50 PM

Hello Bobbie 21921.....
thats great !!!!!!! thumbs up !!!!!! smile. maybe take pictures once you have the whole train ? i BET it will look great too.
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June 22, 2011 8:52 PM

Thanks Tiffany
you and all the others here on the forum help keep my sanity.
due to my injuries i do as much as i can but I am limited.
this forum and other things to do with my layout keep me going so again I say thanks
 

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June 22, 2011 8:58 PM

Hello Bobbie21921.......
that's what freinds are for...SMILE....
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September 4, 2011 12:55 AM

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Originally posted by Mike D:
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But even then, some non-yellow cars ftom the SP got through.

I have searched high and low for a photo of some Daylight cars running on the U.P. with no luck. I have two Premier Daylight coaches that I bought to repaint, but they are so nice I am not going to do that. I am going keep the Daylights for that train, but I want to try to find some proof that that was prototypical. Though I'm not a stickler for prototype fidelity, it would be nice to know that there was actually an occasion when Daylight cars were mixed with U.P. equipment. The search will continue.


Take a look at two sources:

The Union Pacific Streamliners Harold Ranks, William Kratvville (Photo gallery section, Daylight articulated coach in consist of L.A. Limited 1945) taken Hermosa, WY
Southern Pacific Passenger Cars Vol. 4 Diners (Triple unit diner serving back up on the COLA in 1941)
 

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