U.P. 844 sports a Big Boy whistle

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September 25, 2011 4:40 PM

This is a video of the 844 returning from the North Platte Railfest. She is now sporting a whistle off of a 4000, on her way out to Railfest she carried the whistle off of the 3985.

 

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September 25, 2011 5:00 PM

Hi Chris,

Nice clip.

Thanks for posting!

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September 25, 2011 7:48 PM

Since all the UP "Big Three" steam locomotives, i.e the Challengers, the 4000s, and the FEF 800 class locomotives, carried the same Manning, Maxwell, & Moore "UP custom" deep whistles, what is the big deal here? They all pretty much sound the same anyway.
 
 
 
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September 25, 2011 8:51 PM

IT obviously must have been a big deal to someone, why else would they have went through the trouble to change the **** thing. Don't be so negative all the time.... Roll Eyes
 
 
 
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September 25, 2011 9:18 PM

Negative? Who's being negative? I'm telling you they all sound the same. Maybe Ed Dickens, Manager of the Steam Program, got tired of the "raspy sounding" whistle that HAD been on 844, and went with a NEWER Manning, Maxwell, & Moore whistle off 3985, or any one of the 4000 class locomotives. Besides, the UP Steam Shop has quite a few original UP "Big Three" whistles to choose from, if and when one of them on either 844 or 3985, wears out!
 
 
 
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September 25, 2011 11:15 PM

I thought it was interesting so that's why I posted it. There is also a short clip on the U.P. steam website which talks about it and shows one of the guys carrying it prior to the swap....just thought it was interesting.
 

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September 25, 2011 11:39 PM

THAT'S how you run a steam loco!!!! Thanks
 

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September 26, 2011 5:17 PM

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Originally posted by AMCDave:
THAT'S how you run a steam loco!!!! Thanks


You got that right. I have to say the man that filmed it (Skip Weythman) is good...this guy has alot of great pacing shots of the 844 and the 3985. Always nicely done and steady...hopefully someone else is driving... Smile
 

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September 26, 2011 6:11 PM

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You got that right. I have to say the man that filmed it (Skip Weythman) is good...this guy has alot of great pacing shots of the 844 and the 3985. Always nicely done and steady...hopefully someone else is driving...

Well, I'll say he IS good! But, if it's the guy I think it is, I have watched him pace alongside both 3985 and 844, for many many years, with NOBODY ELSE in the vehicle. I have had a pretty good view of him, over the years, and he "sure gets thru traffic", I'll say THAT.
 
 
 
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September 26, 2011 6:30 PM

For those wonderful RAMBLES the Reading Company installed G3 passenger engine whistles on the T1 freight locomotives.
 

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September 26, 2011 6:53 PM

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For those wonderful RAMBLES the Reading Company installed G3 passenger engine whistles on the T1 freight locomotives.

I remember those days! I much preferred the original Reading T-1 freight whistles, however.
 
 
 
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September 26, 2011 7:09 PM

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Originally posted by Hot Water:
I much preferred the original Reading T-1 freight whistles, however.


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I remember on at least one occasion, with double headed T1's the following engine had the shrill freight whistle.
You can hear both on a souvenir record the READING provided on one of the trips. you remember those 33 1/3 records?!? Smile
 

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September 26, 2011 7:46 PM

Too bad that video wasn't of a bit better quality. Those rods were jumping all over the place, maybe even backwards sometimes.
 
 
 
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September 26, 2011 7:55 PM

thanks for posting, his comments on the windmills were great. When traveling, we often have a contest in the car to see who can spot the most windmills.
 
 
 
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September 26, 2011 8:03 PM

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You can hear both on a souvenir record the READING provided on one of the trips. you remember those 33 1/3 records?!?

Yes. I have all of them. The Ralbar records, the "official Reading Company" boxed record, and the Semaphore recordings. I was on the the very first Reading Ramble, with 2124.
 
 
 
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September 26, 2011 8:09 PM

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Originally posted by Big Jim:
Too bad that video wasn't of a bit better quality. Those rods were jumping all over the place, maybe even backwards sometimes.

At better than 70MPH it takes a REALLY good camera!
 
 
 
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September 26, 2011 9:31 PM

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Well, I'll say he IS good! But, if it's the guy I think it is, I have watched him pace alongside both 3985 and 844, for many many years, with NOBODY ELSE in the vehicle. I have had a pretty good view of him, over the years, and he "sure gets thru traffic", I'll say THAT.


Oh brother....so he is part kamikaze??....Great news for the other folks around.... Roll Eyes
 

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September 26, 2011 9:38 PM

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Originally posted by Big Jim:
Too bad that video wasn't of a bit better quality. Those rods were jumping all over the place, maybe even backwards sometimes.


The video is better if you watch it off youtube directly, when you link them here they seem to be a bit jumpy.

But if it's speed you like...and who doesn't...

 

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September 26, 2011 9:55 PM

[QUOTE]Originally posted by pennsyk4:
For those wonderful RAMBLES the Reading Company installed G3 passenger engine whistles on the T1 freight locomotives.

That is a Boston and Maine whistle the 2102 has on in this clip, not a Reading six chime.
 
 
 
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September 26, 2011 10:01 PM

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The video is better if you watch it off youtube directly, when you link them here they seem to be a bit jumpy.

Yeah, I tried that and it was so much better. Thanks Chris.
 
 
 
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September 26, 2011 11:46 PM

Over 70 MPH on a steam locomotive... that's something I wish I could experience just once before I die...

I liked the "Lionel Lines" on 844's tender too. Smile
 
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September 27, 2011 8:47 AM

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Originally posted by Big Jim:
Yeah, I tried that and it was so much better. Thanks Chris.


Your welcome.
 

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September 27, 2011 9:27 AM

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Over 70 MPH on a steam locomotive... that's something I wish I could experience just once before I die...


Me too. In fact, I'd even sacrifice a major body part (maybe even one of my own Wink) for the opportunity!

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September 27, 2011 9:29 AM

What is the maximum speed UP allows with steam these days?

I recall a trip back in the 60's chasing 844 (8444?) into Laramie. The (V8 station wagon) speedometer was at 80 and I still couldn't keep up!
 
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September 27, 2011 9:59 AM

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What is the maximum speed UP allows with steam these days?

Someplace in the UP timetable (special instructions), lists 844 as limited to 84MPH. Obviously that would be only in cab signal territory where the track speed limit is high enough, i.e. OVER 79MPH.
 
 
 
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September 27, 2011 1:13 PM

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Originally posted by Andy Hummell:
quote:
Originally posted by mlavender480:
Over 70 MPH on a steam locomotive... that's something I wish I could experience just once before I die...


Me too. In fact, I'd even sacrifice a major body part (maybe even one of my own Wink) for the opportunity!

Andy

Sometimes it isn't as much fun as you may think. A whole lot depends on the condition of the track! Back in 1977 on the Amtrak Transcontintal Steam Excursion (returning 4449 back to Portland, OR after the American Freedom Train Tour), we where southbound on the ICRR double track main line. One of the IC supervisors made the mistake of asking McCormack, "How fast wil this old thing go?". WRONG THING TO SAY!!!!

Doyle held up three fingers to me, which indicated that I had better keep her at 300 pounds no matter what. Since we where currently at a station stop, when we got the hi-ball over the radio, Doyle made pretty much a full throttle start and just kept accelerating. The track was so rough, that when we where above 70MPH, you could hardly read the gauges due to all the dust flying out of the backhead and the vibration was so bad the gauge needles kept moving. Past 85MPH it was was down right unbearable! The IC supervisor finally chickened out and hollered at Doyle, "OK, OK,,,,DON'T LET HER GO ANY FASTER!!!". Doyle applied the air and eased off the throttle a bit, befor she made 90MPH, and we settled back to a more comfortable 70MPH.

On the other hand, 80+MPH speeds on the UP main line, or some of the original SP main lines, are/where quite nice!
 
 
 
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September 27, 2011 2:13 PM

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On the other hand, 80+MPH speeds on the UP main line, or some of the original SP main lines, are/where quite nice!


I wonder if the Water Level Route would be fun! It's pretty straight and relatively flat...

Does CSX ever let you do some running?
 

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September 27, 2011 2:49 PM

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Does CSX ever let you do some running?

Surly you jest! CSX will not even allow a DEAD steam locomotive on their lines, let alone a live UP 844 or SP 4449.
 
 
 
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September 27, 2011 3:00 PM

quote:
Originally posted by Hot Water:
quote:
Originally posted by Andy Hummell:
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Originally posted by mlavender480:
Over 70 MPH on a steam locomotive... that's something I wish I could experience just once before I die...


Me too. In fact, I'd even sacrifice a major body part (maybe even one of my own Wink) for the opportunity!

Andy

Sometimes it isn't as much fun as you may think. A whole lot depends on the condition of the track! Back in 1977 on the Amtrak Transcontintal Steam Excursion (returning 4449 back to Portland, OR after the American Freedom Train Tour), we where southbound on the ICRR double track main line. One of the IC supervisors made the mistake of asking McCormack, "How fast wil this old thing go?". WRONG THING TO SAY!!!!

Doyle held up three fingers to me, which indicated that I had better keep her at 300 pounds no matter what. Since we where currently at a station stop, when we got the hi-ball over the radio, Doyle made pretty much a full throttle start and just kept accelerating. The track was so rough, that when we where above 70MPH, you could hardly read the gauges due to all the dust flying out of the backhead and the vibration was so bad the gauge needles kept moving. Past 85MPH it was was down right unbearable! The IC supervisor finally chickened out and hollered at Doyle, "OK, OK,,,,DON'T LET HER GO ANY FASTER!!!". Doyle applied the air and eased off the throttle a bit, befor she made 90MPH, and we settled back to a more comfortable 70MPH.

On the other hand, 80+MPH speeds on the UP main line, or some of the original SP main lines, are/where quite nice!




Hot Water,great story! know anything about that loco derailing when it got into town? I was a mere 5 years old at that time, but the memory of riding in the car while my dad paced that loco along rt. 50 are some of my most vivid.
 

 

 

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September 27, 2011 4:01 PM

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know anything about that loco derailing when it got into town?

You'll have to be a bit more specific, i.e. which Freedom Train Locomotive, which town, and what month & year.

AFT 4449 didn't derail upon arrival from the west on BN, then into EMD, on July 2, 1975. I don't recall any derailments in the Chicago area either, but then that was 37 years ago. I do however, remember that the former Reading locomotive (AFT 1), which brought the train into Chicago, derailed trying to get to the AFT display area down at Navy Pier.
 
 
 
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September 27, 2011 5:42 PM

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know anything about that loco derailing when it got into town?

You'll have to be a bit more specific, i.e. which Freedom Train Locomotive, which town, and what month & year.

AFT 4449 didn't derail upon arrival from the west on BN, then into EMD, on July 2, 1975. I don't recall any derailments in the Chicago area either, but then that was 37 years ago. I do however, remember that the former Reading locomotive (AFT 1), which brought the train into Chicago, derailed trying to get to the AFT display area down at Navy Pier.




Now that you mention it, I think it was the Reading loco,thanks. Somewhere theres a photo album I need to find.
 

 

 

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September 27, 2011 8:17 PM

Hotwater,

Your story had me wondering. Taking out the condtion of the track is there a sweet spot in terms of speed that engines like the 844/3985/4449 like to be at where it seems they are running the smoothest?
 

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September 27, 2011 8:52 PM

All engines, no matter what they are built for or what runs em have a sweet spot somewhere in it's own power curve.

That 844 sure looked good and the poor fella hanging onto that tender is going to be tired.
 

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September 27, 2011 10:22 PM

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Hotwater,

Your story had me wondering. Taking out the condtion of the track is there a sweet spot in terms of speed that engines like the 844/3985/4449 like to be at where it seems they are running the smoothest?

Both 4449 and 844 seem to "like" the 65MPH range, from a fuel & water consumption issue. Both locomotives will run at a nominal 65MPH by the hour and use minimal amounts of fuel & water with a 10 to 15 car passenger train.

The 3985 seems to like 60MPH for minimal fuel & water usage with todays small passenger consist.
 
 
 
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September 27, 2011 11:38 PM

Back in the day, if you wanted a 33 1/3 recond, the onwers of the shop seould send you over to the "sepecial effects" part of the store.

I was listening to the AFT 4449 disk, and my sister, about 3 years old, pointed at the hi-fi, and said: Train inside?
 

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September 28, 2011 7:40 AM

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Both 4449 and 844 seem to "like" the 65MPH range, from a fuel & water consumption issue. Both locomotives will run at a nominal 65MPH by the hour and use minimal amounts of fuel & water with a 10 to 15 car passenger train.

The 3985 seems to like 60MPH for minimal fuel & water usage with todays small passenger consist.


Thanks for the information, I appreciate it.
 

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September 28, 2011 11:09 AM

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Does CSX ever let you do some running?

Surly you jest! CSX will not even allow a DEAD steam locomotive on their lines, let alone a live UP 844 or SP 4449.


Well, I hear that they ARE letting Ross Rowland move the 614 to White Sulphur.
 
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September 28, 2011 11:32 AM

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Well, I hear that they ARE letting Ross Rowland move the 614 to White Sulphur.

I don't think CSX is "letting" Ross do anything. I'll bet he is paying a pretty penny for CSX to tow the 614!
 
 
 
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September 28, 2011 4:54 PM

I am sure to CSX it is just freight......that they will be all to happy to be done with.
 

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September 28, 2011 7:53 PM

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Well, I hear that they ARE letting Ross Rowland move the 614 to White Sulphur.

I don't think CSX is "letting" Ross do anything. I'll bet he is paying a pretty penny for CSX to tow the 614!

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