What locos would you like to see in the future?

(OOPs 3 Rail) N&W S1a

Gilly

Sorry for posting in the wrong forum.

Gilly,

PSC made the N&W 0-8-0 quite a few years ago and they become available from time to time.

Ed

Alco C636. I would take two, one in Alco demo colors and one in SP&S. 

Well here we go again, still looking for a Rdg N1, and a WM k2.

The last time that I saw a PSC N&W 0-8-0 was on Ebay for $850. It did not sell so I bought it.  They do not bring much and are hard to sell. Stephen

I would really like to see:

• Lionel VISION Line Chesapeake & Ohio 2-6-6-6 H-8 Allegheny Class. Please include: everything the big boy has plus VISION Line coal cars with sounds.
• Lionel VISION Line Erie 2-8-8-8-2 Triplex. Please include: everything the big boy has plus VISION Line coal cars with sounds.
• Lionel Union Pacific F3 in ABBA configuration with Legacy
• Anything Lionel and VISION Line and Steam and BIG!

In 3 rail, Canadian National 2-6-0 Mogul in Legacy.

Why are you asking for 3-rail fantasy locos on a 2-rail forum? If you want 3-rail start your own thread like the moderator suggest on the 3-rail forum!

Stephen

I'm with Winston on his picks except for the UP F units. Already have the RS5 ABBA. Can't see how they could be much better. 

The triplex would be awesome. 

Scale wheels, couplers, drives and track would be a start, it is the 21st century now.

I'm not into 3-rail at all, but that said, it someone made a good replica of SRR 630, I'd be awfully tempted to buy one.

That was the first engine I ever got a cab ride on, and my parents saw it running regularly in their home town in the 50s and 60s at ET&WNC 207:

I'll be pleased they release an Alco S-1 or S-2

Sunset did the light USRA 2-10-2 about 35+/- years ago.

Ed

Reading K-1 2-10-2.

(photo from "Modeling the Reading Company in P48" web site)

 If we get sufficient interest, perhaps 3rd rail will do one of their limited runs.

Don,

Thank you for starting this subject.

I model modern CSX. I also think an SD40-2 would be nice in the CSX YN3B lettering/color scheme.

I'd even more like to see a GP40-2 in this same scheme.

Thanks,

Al Hummel

I'd be all over this:

Of course I think Seaboard only had 3 streamlined Pacifics, but hey that's what I want!

A 3 truck Shay or an updated 4-4-2 Hiawatha (Vision Line would be interesting)

The Milwaukee Road Hiawatha; with whistle steam, of course!

Gilly,

PSC made the N&W 0-8-0 quite a few years ago and they become available from time to time.

Ed

Guys,

Thanks for the lead. I didn't know about this locomotive. If for only the tender, it will be worth a look on eBay.

Gilly

I'll see your Reading K-1 2-10-2 and raise you a Reading N-1 2-8-8-2, rebuilt as a simple 2-8-8-0. Same boiler. Lots pf plumbing on rebuilt locomotives

Baldwin 3-cylinder compound 4-10-2 No. 60000 in The Franklin Institute, Philadelphia

No. 17, the YORK, rolled out of [David] Kloke Locomotive Works, Elgin, IL, in May, 2013. The Reader Railroad in Arkansas built wooden passenger cars for her that summer. They run on the historic Northern Central Railway between New Freedom and Hanover Junction south of York, PA, under the auspices of Steam into History

 A life-size Lionel GENERAL set

Atlantic City Railroad No. 1027 pulled the fastest regularly scheduled passenger trains in the world in the 1890's. She would be the first Vauclain compound in 3-rail "0" Gauge. The Pennsylvania Railroad built 3 similar Camelback Atlantics to compete with her. Designated "E-1," they culminated in the renowned E-6 Atlantics. The sole survivor, No. 460, is "The Lindbergh Engine" in The Railroad Museum of Pennsylvania at Strasburg

East African Railways Beyer-Garratt Class 59

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I'll see your Reading K-1 2-10-2 and raise you a Reading N-1 2-8-8-2

OK; I particularly like the K-1 and it was (IMO) a proper use for the mediocre N-1's boiler. As I recall, the K-1 was the biggest and baddest of all the 2-10-2 hogs.

Otherwise, the Beyer-Garret is just one butt-ugly loco. How could anyone want one, unless they were Brits or So.Africans. Oh, yeah: opinion.

An SD40-2 would be at the top of my list, with the GP40-2 being second, and the early 90's SD70 series (70m, 75m, 70mac). GE B36 would be nice too!

I would like to see Atlas do the SD40-2 but I don't think the current vertical motor truck design would allow the trucks to be placed closer to the pilots without the motor shield interfering with the front of the cab. I recently experimented with trying to modify the frame on a Weaver SD40-2 to move the trucks to a more prototypical location or similar to the truck placement on my Overland SD40-2, but it couldn't be done with the current vertical truck design.

Atlas would have to use a horizontal motor drive or redesign their vertical motor truck to place them in a more accurate position under the frame, which would then allow use of scale fuel tanks.

The SD40-2 and GP20 are two designs with unique long front porches that would require horizontal drives or newly designed truck blocks if using a vertical motor setup to produce more accurate and better looking models than what's currently available.

I'd like to suggest the ML 4000 diesel hydraulic, the cab version from 1961;  four paint schemes are possible:

   a) DRGW

   b) SP

   c) DRGW patched as SP

   d) "SP"/ KM Semmering test unit

Considering some of the locos that have been produced by MTH, I'm surprised they haven't done this one.  It could be offered as a dummy unit as well as powered.

Given the number of SSPF's around, you'd think it would sell well.....

Just a thought.  SZ

Gilly,

Allegheny Scale Models has one of the PSC N&W 0-8-0's for sale. Check their website.

Ed

Rex and ReadingFan,

Glad to see Reading Steam getting some love.

The K1 or an N1 would be nice, but don't forget that we could really use an I10 or an M1.

Reading K1 2-10-2

Reading N1 2-8-8-0

Reading I10 2-8-0

Reading M1 2-8-2 

We could also use a nice Baldwin Baby faced freight unit for the CNJ side of life.

FP45/F45

21's century detailed RS2/3

S2

PRR G5 4-6-0

RDC's set up for MU service with diaphragm ends.

That's all.

Yep, SD40-2 would be my first choice as well.  Saw so many of these on so many railroads.  Sort of like the F-unit of it's time.  It would be nice to see road-specific details such as a/c units, antennas and such.  

Frisco 1522.

Jeff C

WOW!!I rember whatching the news story by wbtv with my family.One time my grandmother called me to see this.She told me"I thought you want to see this."I told her she was right.I sometimes forget the etnc had narrow gauge and standard gauge.Thanks for posting this good memoies.

They do look pretty nice and look like they could move fast.I have a mil streamlined hudson I think its the fastest steamer I have.Just think how the pacifics would look with high speed driverods.How many cars they pulled?

I would like to see in railking abba or aba sal ft units.Or southern sd40-2 highhood with the right sounding horn.

Thx ReadingFan

 I 2nd this....MTH can build it with DCS, DCC, Steam effects, 2R-3R, scale wheels and hi rail wheels....every one will be happy....

I had the Aster/LGB brass Garratt, sold it to fund my new 0 scale addiction

Anything without a Bellpaire firebox!!!!!!!!!!! How about some non-Pennsy steam locomotives by Brooks, Lima, ALCO, Porter and Stevenson.

I am reasonably sure that the those have built elevated railways would love to have a steamer like those that ran on the New York City Els.

And oh by the way, I would love to have this:

Anything not with a china drive or built by mth toy 2-rail. Stephen

And for SPF's a wish list would include:

PRR/LI 4-6-0 (different tenders):  No scale dimensioned G5's have been offered despite attempts by Max Gray, Weaver, Sunset and MTH.  (Discounting the crude by today's standards Saginaw)

PRR I1s, I1sa 2-10-0:  No one has offered an I1s (123 of them without the huge feed water heater on the left side).  I can think of at least 5 quite different I1/I1s post-war prototype "looks" that could be produced in brass on the same boiler/chassis by varying front end/boiler details tenders.  

PRR H8sc, H9s, H10s 2-8-0:  - Key beautifully did these in limited numbers 25 years ago.  If an H10s is to be offered please do it without a Lines West tender - they were generally gone in postwar era.

PRR D16sb 4-4-0:  Hasn't been done since Max Gray imported a few 50 years ago (perhaps the rarest PRR brass model)

PRR N2s/ USRA heavy 2-10-2: PRR’s 130 N2sa’s were rebuilt with Belpaire fireboxs.  A production run could share the mechanism and tender with standard USRA boiler versions lettered for Erie, CB&Q, C&S, and B&LE

Ed Rappe

I will sign up and send $$$ for a C&S 2-10-2.

ChipR

Alco S series switchers.

A tribute PRR T1 #5550 that can be used to raise funds for the T1 trust.

NY El Forneys

A standard gauge version of Bachman's ON30 Whitcomb switcher

Al O

Ed,

You got them all,pretty much.  I would add a T1 to the mix.  How about the 6111,as built in all it's splendor.  It seems that the 6100 is the only streamlined model that was made.

Norm

Folks,

Steam: I would love to see a Denver&Rio Grande Western L-77 2-6-6-0 beein produced in the near future. This really would make my day!

And some smaller steam such as a D&RGW C-48 or one of the last standard gauge D&RGW engines, such as 4-6-0 No. 784.

Diesel: A Alco S-2 would be awesome. Atlas folks: you already have it in smaller scale. Just give us a O-scale 2-Rail model of the S-2, and please please please: A Rio Grande version of it, though...

Cheers, Tom

Correct RS1,2,3 would be great, but I don't see them coming from Division Point as the site has not seen any progress for that to happen. Erik has them on his future list and will have his stealth drive.

Stephen

Tom "Katercat" - - Both the Rio Grande C48 2-8-0 and the D&SL/D&RGW 2-6-6-0 were imported by Pacific Fast Mail in the early '70's. They show up very occaisionly on ebay. Hopefully a bit of good news!

I'm with Chip R........oh please, please, someone, a Colorado & Southern 2-10-2 (#900, 902, or 903) with auxililiary tender! Toss in Texas & Pacific/Chicago Great Western 2-10-4, Canadian National 2-6-0, Central Vermont 2-10-4. 

        Now, returning to the "real world", I am very appreciative of Sunset 3rd Rail proposing the Burlington O1a 2-8-2. Have 2 reservations in.

mark s - Max Gray imported a T&P 2-10-4 in the 1960's.  I saw one for sale at the recent Chicago show - don't recall the price.

Ed Rappe

Thanks Ed! Saw it there, too. Alas, the Max Gray early imports are pretty crude by today's standards. Like you were noting above. I'm with you on a contemporary PRR D16!

Everything posted is fine but...a locomotive is only as good as its guts and mtors

Contemporary railroads now use even the big 6-axle locos on branch lines AND switching so my big want would be:

NOTHING PRODUCED O SCALE 2 RAIL WITHOUT HORIZONTAL DRIVE SYSTEM AND/OR GEARING SO IT CAN OPERATE PROTOTYPICAL AT A  SWITCHING CRAWL AS WELL AS ON THE MAINLINE RUNNING.

Atlas prides itself as The Future of O Scale; the future of O scale is to have mechanisms that operate as smoothly and perfectly as my HO and N (!!!). Vertical drives, jerky acceleration/deceleration and poor slow speed capability is not the future of O scale. Because of this, my entry into O scale 2 rail branch/switching is becoming extremely touch-and-go having to cherry pick from a very limited roster of older models. 

I too think an SD40-2 would be a great engine to build but like mentioned maybe problems putting the super over a China drive. Atlas already did the SD40 and think it would be an easier change over but I am not building them. Lionel adn MTH don't do the superstructures well enough and from what I have seen they sit too high on the trucks. Just be nice if Atlas worked on releasing a engine model once a year, period. Still waiting for the dash 8 40CW. since in the catalog in 2010.

I agree with your post 100%!! This concept as well as buying immediately when something is released or taking the chance you'll never get it,is discouraging coming from HO,where the market is more friendly. But this is O scale & these are some of the ugly trade offs. The market is much smaller than HO & N & growing smaller with increases in prices all the time & modelers restricted to apartments rather than houses with ample room. I face this challenge every day in my decision-"O or HO"-that is the question!

It's a balance of the trade offs,(differences),in the 2 scales that we have to decide if we can live with when the "dust" settles. The Verticle motors as the gentlemen here explained to me,comes from Lionel & followed with other companies, to accommodate the sharp curve demands of 3 rail diesels. So,since 3 rail is the leader in O scale sales as most modelers are 3railers,this can't be expected to change.

I know EXACTLY what you're saying & where you're coming from. The lack of modern couplers is something I as well as other modern modelers desire,but with most modelers in steam in O scale,that's not likely to be seen either.It's a "build your own," scale as many can tell you,or put up with what's out there.

I came to O without doing my homework 1st,expecting to have everything in O scale I had in HO & maybe more because of the increase in size-not so. A painful reality as O scale has SO MUCH MORE to offer because of the size not found in other scales.

Just my 2 cents.

Al Hummel

The Reading Consol above has a 2nd tender. Was it in stationary boiler service or did the Reading occaisionly use auxiliary water cars?

Something small gentlemen. A small 2-6-0, 2-6-2, fixed pilot SW1, GE 70 ton, 65 ton, Ma & Pa 2-8-0 or a CF7. 

I want a plain Jane….. NYC Hudson lettered for New York Central,Plain black and spoke driver wheels with standard tender close coupled to locomotive………2/3 rail would be nice.

Clem 

Thank you kindly for the lead.

Gilly

jd-train said:

I have a Weaver G1 and SGL G3 to pull passenger trains,

I have a G#, but no authentic passenger cars. What do you use?

That said, Rex, if you can get Scot to have 3rd Rail build the K1, I'm in for a 3R version!!!

Well, that would be two of us. Scott made the B&O P7d in a run of 50, which is, I suppose, a minimum number. So all we need is 48 more guys

I'm thinking if one wants an I-10, one could start with a cannibalized 2-8-0 chassis and build up the superstructure from scratch. I have a friend whose hankering for a B&O E-27 2-8-0 led him down that very garden path (well,  he also scratchbuilt the frame.). The entire superstructure is fabricated from PVC pipe and ABS/styrene, plus brass jewelry and piping. It can be done. Depends on the degree of lust

Rex,

I still need a set of heavyweights to use with the G1.

The G3 model is a model imported by SGL.  SGL Lines was a company that was formed by an enthusiast of the Reading who only imported a brass G3 and matching brass passenger cars. The sets are from 2002/3.

The SGL G3 was offered in both 2R and 3R and I've seen two different numbered engines come up for sale on eBay. 

There were two different sets of passengers cars (both in 2R and 3R) offered: The Schuylkill and King Coal sets.  Both sets are 5 car sets with different numbers and interiors for each set.  There were also two car sets to match each 5 car set.  The sets occasionally come up for sale on eBay, usually at a great price, considering these are brass.

I have the Schuylkill 5 car set.  Still looking for the matching 2 car set at a good price.

Jim

Well, an MP36 to pull all those Bombardier cars would be nice

SGL Lines imported models of the first and last G3 Pacifics (210 and 219) and two sets of 2000-series semistreamlined ("blimp") cars. Seats with blue upholstery represented the KING COAL (Philly-Shamokin) and the WALL STREET (Philly-Jersey City Terminal, with ferry connection to Manhattan); red upholstery, the SCHUYLKILL (Philly-Pottsville).

Late in the steam era, the Reading used small tenders from retired steamers as auxiliary water cars ("jugs"). The late George Hart used a Taylor tender from a Camelback as a "jug" for Reading Shop Switcher 0-6-0 1251 on excusions onb the Ma & Pa. No. 1251 is now displayed in The Railroad Museum of Pennsylvania at Strasburg. The Reading & Northern uses that "jug" for "The Four-and-a-Quarter" (425). Her original "jug" was a Pennsy tender. The Reading tender is slightly smaller and fits on the Jersey Central turntable at Jim Thorpe with 425. The Pennsy "jug" had to be turned separately.

This is the Pennsy tender. The coal compartment is intact.

How about a DELAWARE & HUDSON 4-6-6-4 CHALLENGER. D&H had 40 of them. And make it a true D & H model not some UP unit with D & H painted on it.

Only Union Pacific (105) and Northern Pacific (47) had more.

I would love to see more modern and old electric locomotives. Keep building the steamers because we dont want to forget the past just stop buildind f3, f7 that are being built and too many of.

Krauss-Maffei, I'm sure I'm not the only one.

I would love to see Western Maryland's 4-8-4 J1 Potomac and I2 Decapod. 

Some folks in the ugly loco thread posted this one. But if some manufacturer made it Imwould buy it in a heartbeat. Never saw or heard of one but I love it LOL

Lionel Legacy PRR E-44 electric---grew up in northeast Philly---saw them on all the Pennsy lines right through the Conrail era

Thx

Joe S   

In the 1st picture,is a modern switchstand that would add a lot to O scale in modern times,but would also be fantastic offered with counterweights of different shapes,found all across the USA,in the eastern half of the US especially. These switchstands with the counterweights,were used over a much longer period of time,starting in the steam era,right into the early 90s,when "Backsafer,Bow handles" were substituted in place of the low counterweight handles,to give greater leverage for a crewman & also providing less strain to a crewman's back,not having to bend so far down towards the ground.

Al Hummel

A nice fat boilered low drivered Prairie 2-6-2 for logging operations as this was a popular wheel arrangement for that.

Peter

Yes.  Odd absence of this engine not being imported again given the ubiquitous nature and long life span, yet also being fairly desirable.  I would however prefer an early D16b version suitable for the CVRR, but if taking an sb gets them made, I'd still be willing to buy at least 1.

Western Maryland railway: class K2 pacific,

H7 and H8 consolidations.

I think the possible sales demand for this engine is underestimated.  It's not just a Santa Fe passenger engine.  More importantly it is the first transcontinental diesel passenger engine.  If any manufacturer was to undertake the project they should also include the related boxcabs like the EMC demos, and the B&O #50.

I've posted this before on the 3 rail forums and there is always some demand.

I'm aware the the colors used in this print are disputed.  Perhaps Division Point had it correct with their HO model. 

"Reading Fan" - Thank you for the info on the Reading's use of auxiliary water cars. I am going to presume this was primarily prompted by removal of water facilities, as opposed to the IC and N&W use of auxiliary water cars for enhanced locomotive performance. And more remarkable, one of the "jugs" is extant!

Ryan/Rshawyer36 - Some good news! The Western Maryland Potomac 4-8-4 was done by Car & Locomotive Shop some 10 years ago. If memory serves, the WM Decapod was done by Overland, maybe 15 years ago. They did the burly WM Consolidation at that time, too. C&LS also did the WM 4-6-6-4. All show up at O Scale shows and ebay periodically.  

Central Vermont 2-8-0's piggybacked on a run of CN 2-8-0's please.  I would find a way to buy 3 or 4.

Jim

I'd like to see a "modern" 4-4-0...one with the appliances, pilot and appearance of a 1920-1930 era locomotive.  Both C&IM and Katy used them up to the '50s and the end of their passenger service.  Thomas made one way back in the 1950's that was close, but still kept the huge cowcatcher (sorry, pilot).  They're hard to find, though and pricey.

Logan Matthews - Absolutely!   There was an article on scratch building a Katy "modern" 4-4-0 in Feb/March 1957  Model Railroader, and that loco has been a favorite of mine, at least, for years! And what a herald the Missouri-Kansas-Texas had!

If you want a O Scale SD40-2, this version must have railroad specific options or details for both USA and Canadian railroads.

Without dynamic brakes and with dynamic brakes.

The Canadian National SD40-2 locomotives had cabins and other details that made them distinct from other railroad's SD40-2s.

Andrew

There must also be the injection mold option for the SD38-2 and SD39-2 when the SD40-2 is produced by ATLAS O or even MTH. Get more railroad specific models produced.

Andrew

I would seriously doubt that Atlas can do an SD40-2 (or 38-2 or 39-2) beacuse they are married to the China drive which will not fit under the frame.

I haven't said much for a while about my desired loco. It would be the Milwaukee SDL-39. Simple, sweet and the mfg could sell one to every Milwaukee modeller

How many would those be?

I like the way Tom thinks...these selections would work nicely for my shortline and switching Ma and Pa/Yorkrail, Stewartstown RR, MDDE addiction

 SD40x is a rail industry standard.

"Can't do the vertical China drive", "can't do the horizontal drive"...come on, this is the 21st century. Oh yea that's right...this is O scale.  Nevermind...

I still think Sierra #3 would be a good candidate:

She's well known and because of her movie career she could be legitimately lettered for almost any railroad.

Rusty

Atlas told me about a year ago,they want to do the GP40,but with the mess up in their China factories it's doubt full we'll see that.

MTH did the gP38-2 wish they'd do more of them in their Premier line.

Al Hummel

Spiderman F40ph

rat

I would even take the SDL39s undec and paint them myself if I could a couple.

Dick

How about Pennsylvania RR Electrics  E-2b and E-3c

Sunset/3rd Rail is considering offering the E2b.

Pennsy,  E3sd Atlantic

These are all 2-rail brass: How about the PRR T-1 in the versions Key gave us when I was in HO scale. How abut an updated B&O  EM-1. An updated UP C-855 a-b-a set. The C&O T-1. Santa Fe 5001 class 2-10-4!! ( PSC promised in 2012 but never delivered ). Santa Fe 5011 class 2-10-4. NP/SP&S Z-6. GE U-28,30,33 AND 36 both ''B'' and ''C''. Updated PRR Q-2.

If EMD can make them why not Atlas?    That was a joke but it had some truth in it.  

IIRC they were announced (or perhaps you or Scott mentioned them in a thread on here once)... but it seems rezzys are light so they must be lower down on the priority list.

I'd love to se G5's or I1's in PRR but the L1s seem to be slow sellers. 

No, not really any "truth in it". EMD would make pretty much anything a customer wanted, and that they were willing to pay for, in any quantity they wanted. Whereas Atlas, or any other model manufacturer/importer, must produce a MINIMUM QUANTITY in order to recover the tooling costs for specialized products. 

nikkormat,

There is a Sunset NP Z-6 in new condition with DCC/Sound on the Allegheny Scale Models site.  

Sunset also imported the PRR T-1 in several versions.  Same for the B&O EM-1.

Thought you would like to know.

Ed

Lighten up oldhead, no need to turn every joking comment into something nasty.

Both EMD and Atlas (or any manufacturer) are in business to make money...  We got that.

Sorry if I upset you with reality. Trying to compare model train manufacturing to either EMD, Alco, or GE is pretty ridiculous, don't you think? 

Strasburg RR #90

Cotton Belt #819. Alco PA's in Warbonnet. 2 rail please.