Who Else Is Ready for ATSF Zebra Striped F-M H16-44's?

My pair is on the way Tom, how bout yours?

Number 90 posted:

Would anyone else have an interest in Lionel Legacy H16-44's in Santa Fe zebra stripes.  I'd buy a pair.

With Silver stripes.

The ATSF Zebras are/were a vastly under rated livery!

BobbyD posted:

Number 90 posted:

Would anyone else have an interest in Lionel Legacy H16-44's in Santa Fe zebra stripes.  I'd buy a pair.

With Silver stripes.

Not ALL Zebras had aluminum stripes.... many had white stripes.

When I received my pair last week I was disappointed that they were black with white stripes...not silver. But I was to busy to really investigate this. (Santa Fe is not my main interest) I just looked through Cinthia Priest Book and saw silver.

But after doing a little research I noticed on the same page three or four pictures appear to be white/black and one is silver/black (at least appears to be silver/black). So I did a little searching on the web and there appears to be some Santa Fe engines in Black/white Zebra and some in Black/silver Zebra. From what I could find the H16-44 appears to be one of the Black/white Zebras. I did notice that the Atlas N or Ho scale H16-44's were painted in black/silver. Information I found stated that some SF facilities used white while others used silver, not sure if this is correct. Could some of you Santa Fe experts expand on this topic?

Does anybody know if the Santa Fe NW2 in the latest catalog will be black/white or black/silver. I prefer silver and was thinking about cancelling when I first saw my H16-44's and was even thinking about returning the (2) H16-44's I received last week from Charlie. But I think maybe Lionel got this right.

This is another one of those ATSF things that is really all over the place. Different Zebras were delivered in black/white and black/aluminum. They were also repainted in both versions. Some even had aluminum pin stripes with white zebra stripes.

The NW2 according to Stephen Priest in the Santa Fe Diesel Locomotive Painting & Lettering Guide for Model Railroaders... were delivered in basic black in 1939 but repainted in 1954 to Zebras in both black/aluminum and black/white variations.

So if you want to really nit pick and find out which specific cab number was where and in which variation, you could say that cab #### is wrong. In general people refer and assume the Zebra is black/aluminum, but not really the case

Same is true for the lettering with and without the ampersand, and the square logo with blue or black background. Unless you want to be cab # specific using a photo as evidence, those are really all over the place as well.

I'm glad they got the direction of the Chevrons correct relating to front and rear. Front points up, rear points down. That is also something I never really paid attention to.

Out for a quick test run before they are shopped for fixed pilots and Kadee couplers. All features test OK, smoke is mors than enough!

Laidoffsick posted:

My pair is on the way Tom, how bout yours?

Not yet.  I'll be down in the Dallas area this weekend and might be able to pick them up, if they are there.  Thanks for posting the short video.  I'm ready for them!  We already had to transfer two GP7's to Argentine, and it's a scramble to get all the locals out of the yard on time.  

The Second District Local was forced to use a switch engine yesterday, and had to double Martin Hill, delaying the West Texas Express 15 minutes..  The Conductor on the passenger train, "Buster" Brown, was unhappy about the delay, and, after tying up, went to the engine service area to give the Mechanical Foreman a piece of his mind for sending the local out underpowered.  The Crew Clerk had called Mechanical and warned them that Buster was on his way and looking to vent.  By coincidence our Master Mechanic,  Jack "Hot Water" Wheelihan, was visiting the Mechanical facility that day.  When Buster burst into the Mechanical Office and started to berate the Foreman, Jack heard the loud voice and came down the hall to see what was happening.  Seeing a Conductor in uniform criticizing his employees, Jack stepped up and got nose to nose with Buster.  "Look Pal," growled Jack, "we do the best we can with what we have, and, unless you can pull two more road diesels out of your monkey-suited a--, you need to confine yourself to helping old ladies get on and off of the train, slamming doors, and counting tickets, or that pretty suit might get so much crater compound on it that it will never come clean."  By this time, Buster -- normally unchallenged -- was not nearly as upset, and was moving backward as Jack advanced.  Buster's dark blue passenger service uniform was the very symbol of his standing in the town of Caprock, and he suddenly lost his train of thought and his desire to deliver a piece of his mind.  "Earl," commanded Jack to the roundhouse clerk, "get the door for this bozo."  And, with that. Buster retreated in disgrace.  Jack, his own boiler pressure now rising, returned to an office and started a phone call to Topeka to demand an answer as to where the two new Fairbanks-Morse road units were and exactly why they were not sitting on the ready track at Caprock after two of his very reliable and much-needed GP7's had been transferred to Argentine.  Earl, anticipating the upcoming fireworks, closed the door to the office Jack was using, and everybody in the Mechanical Office was stricken with a need to be somewhere outside to do something -- anything -- for the next 15 minutes.  Buster went home and poured himself a double shot of Jack Daniels, dreading the destruction of his royal status, once news of his defeat at Mechanical got to the Yard Office.

We'll let you know when the Fairbanks units arrive.

Blue Streak posted:

When I received my pair last week I was disappointed that they were black with white stripes...not silver. But I was to busy to really investigate this. (Santa Fe is not my main interest) I just looked through Cinthia Priest Book and saw silver.

But after doing a little research I noticed on the same page three or four pictures appear to be white/black and one is silver/black (at least appears to be silver/black). So I did a little searching on the web and there appears to be some Santa Fe engines in Black/white Zebra and some in Black/silver Zebra. From what I could find the H16-44 appears to be one of the Black/white Zebras. I did notice that the Atlas N or Ho scale H16-44's were painted in black/silver. Information I found stated that some SF facilities used white while others used silver, not sure if this is correct. Could some of you Santa Fe experts expand on this topic?

Does anybody know if the Santa Fe NW2 in the latest catalog will be black/white or black/silver. I prefer silver and was thinking about cancelling when I first saw my H16-44's and was even thinking about returning the (2) H16-44's I received last week from Charlie. But I think maybe Lionel got this right.

 

In many black and white images you can see the white step edge appears as a different color than the silver stripes. Don't have the Santa Fe lettering book but I can't imagine these things were leaving the factory painted with silver or white stripes based on what the shop had for breakfast!  

They look nice, had hoped for silver so when they arrived in white we passed.

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Number 90 posted:

Laidoffsick posted:

My pair is on the way Tom, how bout yours?

 

 Not yet.  I'll be down in the Dallas area this weekend and might be able to pick them up, if they are there.  Thanks for posting the short video.  I'm ready for them!  We already had to transfer two GP7's to Argentine, and it's a scramble to get all the locals out of the yard on time.  

The road power shortage became critical yesterday.  The Second District Local was forced to use a switch engine, and had to double Martin Hill, delaying the West Texas Express 15 minutes..  The Conductor on the passenger train, "Buster" Brown, was unhappy about the delay, and, after tying up, went to the engine service area to give the Mechanical Foreman a piece of his mind for sending the local out underpowered.  The Crew Clerk had called Mechanical and warned them that Buster was on his way and looking to vent.  By coincidence our Master Mechanic,  Jack "Hot Water" Wheelihan, was visiting the Mechanical facility that day.  When Buster burst into the Mechanical Office and started to berate the Foreman, Jack heard the loud voice and came down the hall to see what was happening.  Seeing a Conductor in uniform criticizing his employees, Jack stepped up and got nose to nose with Buster.  "Look Pal," growled Jack, "we do the best we can with what we have, and, unless you can pull two more road diesels out of your monkey-suited a--, you need to confine yourself to helping old ladies get on and off of the train, slamming doors, and counting tickets, or that pretty suit might get so much crater compound on it that it will never come clean."  By this time, Buster -- Number One on the Conductors' seniority kist and normally unchallenged -- decided that he was not nearly as upset, and was moving backward as Jack advanced.  Buster's dark blue passenger service uniform was the very symbol of his standing in the town of Caprock, and he rapidly lost his train of thought and his desire to deliver a piece of his mind.  "Earl," commanded Jack to the roundhouse clerk, "get the door for this bozo."  And, with that. Buster retreated in disgrace.  Jack, his own boiler pressure now rising, returned to an office and started a phone call to Topeka to demand an answer as to where the two new Fairbanks-Morse road units were and exactly why they were not sitting on the ready track at Caprock after two of his very reliable and much-needed GP7's had been transferred to Argentine.  Earl, anticipating the upcoming fireworks, closed the door to the office Jack was using, and everybody in the Mechanical Office was stricken with a need to be somewhere outside to do something -- anything -- for the next 15 minutes.  Buster went home and poured himself a double shot of Jack Daniels, dreading the destruction of his royal status, once news of his defeat at Mechanical got to the Yard Office.

We'll let you know when the Fairbanks units arrive.

My comment on the zebra stripes:

I'd rather have silver aluminum stripes, but I' 70 years old and, in the 1950's, was actually witness to hundreds of in-service zebra striped Santa Fe locomotives, some of which appeared to me to be white.  Evidence was difficult to find, but first-hand authentication from ancient Mechanical Department employees has verified that, sometimes, white paint was used instead of silver aluminum.  Also, in that era, Santa Fe used a weak acid spray in it's locomotive wash racks, which sometimes affected the silver aluminum striping.  

From my standpoint, I will be satisfied whether the F-M's arrive with striping of either color.

Number 90 posted:  Earl, anticipating the upcoming fireworks, closed the door to the office Jack was using, and everybody in the Mechanical Office was stricken with a need to be somewhere outside to do something -- anything -- for the next 15 minutes.  Buster went home and poured himself a double shot of Jack Daniels, dreading the destruction of his royal status, once news of his defeat at Mechanical got to the Yard Office.

Who wants to bet this story is based on a real past event ??  You can't just "make this stuff up". 

Haha, of course, Rob. Everyone in my scenarios either is a real person or is based on one. 

FWIW, I just had an ALCO HH done in the zebra scheme--- will add images tonight!

I will take a demo version of the FM H-16-44.