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The Spring 2016 OGR Forum Grandstand Meeting was held on probably the prettiest day we have ever had for a Spring York, seventy plus degrees and perfect blue skies. So, we had the meeting indoors in the Gold Hall just north of the grandstands. This location is regularly used for golf cart storage and occasionally sees a broom, like when Ronald Reagan was president.  

For those of you that have read one of these reports before, you will recall we customarily have a Three Stooges episode with these guys trying to get the portable public address system they bring up and running by 2:00pm. It’s quite a show. This time they avoided all of that fun by forgetting to bring it to York. Speakers were directed to use their “natural voices.” More like their “outside voices” were required. Ed sort of lost control of the meeting without something to hand out and get back. I suggested he use one of the handles off of a nearby golf cart, but I was ignored. When we use this meeting space, Ed has to go over early and set up all of the chairs. Imagine the grumbling. I asked for some recognition for Ed for completing this task successfully, as this time, all of the chairs faced the same direction.  

When I arrived, all of the chairs were full and I would estimate attendance at over 120. I had to go find my own chair. Likely it had the same dust on it that it had last fall.

The meeting started a few ticks before 2:00pm and Ed introducing Rich and Rich introducing Ed. Usually it’s Ed then Rich then Jim then Alan then Rich then Ed. This was refreshingly simple.

First up was Ed Boyle from OGR and he introduced Rich Melvin. Rich shared with the group that the new Great Layout Adventures Volume 12 is now available and includes a layout that is literally inches off of the floor. He’s just now finishing his physical therapy after filming it.  

Angela Trotta Thomas

Angela was next up and she shared with the group that she has a new coffee table book out called Painting an American Icon: The Lionel Train Art of Angela Trotta Thomas. The book includes many of the family orientated paintings that she has done in the past 25 years. She shared with the group that she started down this path as a master’s thesis project. Very interesting. Her website with the book is http://www.angelatrottathomas.com/

Larry Harrington addressed the group next to share that Lee Riley, a long time Bachmann employee, had recently passed just a couple of weeks before his retirement. He was the principal catalyst behind the On30 product line including the new 2-6-0. We shared a moment of silence in his memory.

Ross Custom Switches—Steve Brenneisen

Steve was next and reported that he had completely depreciated all of the investments he has made in tooling for the transfer tables and the turntables so he has reduced their price about $200 each. He is passing the savings onto the customer.

They have re-engineered the drive mechanism for his tables and upgrade kits are available for previous customers and even for an old Bowser turntable if you have one. If I caught it correctly, the upgrades are $249. The turntable is operated via a key pad and also an IPad app. He has worked out with Lionel plug compatibility with Legacy for controlling the tables. 

Korber Models—Dana Malliae

Rich was gone this week and couldn’t attend York, so Dana and Alex set up and staffed his booth at York. Lots of kits on display including the industrial buildings / walls that he acquired last year. Korber has more detail parts, and great items to add to your roof tops.

She also reminded everyone that they offer the Korber Complete model building services.

Miller Engineering—Chris Miller

Chris described their creation of a Budweiser Eagle sign with flapping wings. He also has a non-flapping Budweiser Eagle window sign. They’re offering a companion sign for your bad part of town, I believe it was "Foxy Night Club". They also have a custom billboard with alphabet letters to make your own sign. The sign features chasing lights. Also new is a rotating sign where you can add your name.

Schneider Model Railroading—Dave Schneider

Dave shared that he has been spending a lot of effort developing kits. The most recent one is a 14 wheeled artillery car. He also showed a 3D Printed piece from an 1830 primitive B&O flour car, I believe it was. His experiments making engines using 3D printing technology have not been successful so he’s reverting to making engines offshore again. His B&O Grasshopper 0-4-0 is almost fully reserved, so if you’d like one please get a hold of Dave. www.smrtrains.com

 Mianne/Foley—Tim Foley

Tim shared with the group that they were demonstrating their power lift gate benchwork section in the Orange Hall.  They also were displaying the multi-level capabilities of their benchwork system. Since last fall, they have added roll away carts for under the layout and a transformer table. Their benchwork system is customizable down to 6” increments. Learn more about their products at mainnebenchwork.com

3rd Rail/Sunset Models—Jonathon Peiffer

Jonathon was here representing Scott who was still in the orient. He showed one of the cars from the sold out Cincinnatian. They’re taking orders for a 6 car Amtrak set though I missed the name. Working on a scale Empire Builder and a scale Santa Fe Super Chief. Still taking reservations for a B&O E27 Steamer – about 29 away from making them. Still taking reservations for the EMD E7/E9’s with 20 road names available. Next up will be the ALCo PA’s

Atlas-- Jerry Kimble

Jerry was next and reintroduced Jarret Haedrich, the grandson of the founder at Atlas Model Railroad Company, and Jerry shared that he has to be nice to him because someday soon he will be his boss.  

They shared that the 60’ Trainman Passenger Cars have arrived and that the artist renderings don’t do them justice – you really need to see them for yourself.

Atlas is putting a lot of effort into the California Zephyr Sets with 12 four car sets available, and matching engines. A 12 car set with three engines is 24.5 feet of train and they’re heard from customers that they don’t have enough track to run it – "well that didn’t keep you guys from buying Lionel’s Big Boy" – so don’t miss out on these models. You’ll be running them on a club or friend’s layout someday. Watch for additional information on the CAZ cars coming from Atlas.

Williams by Bachmann/ Bachmann Trains—Larry Harrington

The 44 Ton Switcher has been a big success and they are running three additional schemes: a second road number in PRR; Union Pacific and Canadian National.

In the booth they had samples of the new Pacific in 4 road names; and the NW-2’s in three road names plus a new number of the PRR.

In EasyStreets there’s a new sedan, and ice cream truck, a new panel truck and a fire chief sedan.

MTH—Andy Edleman

Andy was next up and started out by sharing that this is his 59th trip to York and that the group isn’t getting any better looking. many responded that neither is Andy.

They delivered the new catalog at York, again, and this time it was on time.

The SD60E samples were in the booth, and the 44 Tonner. We will see the SD60E’s in June and the 44 Tonners are in production now.

They have a new display layout that shows almost all of the gauges they make – HO; S; O; and Tinplate. They have used the layout at 8 shows so far this year and he wanted to share that this one, York, was by far the smallest in terms of attendance.

He also shared that if you see Mike, be prepared to be accosted about whether or not you’ve at least downloaded the free DCS app onto your smartphone. He suggested that if you haven’t, it would be best to just lie to Mike and tell him you have.

The LCCA - Al Kolis, President

The LCCA is a sponsor on the Forum and Al took a few minutes to bring the group up to speed on the LCCA’s mission, which is to promote running Lionel trains and to promote the hobby. He also shared that he has been meeting with the leadership of the TCA, LOTS and the NMRA to talk about how the groups can work together to continue to promote the hobby.

He reviewed that the FasTrack modular layout standard was developed by the LCCA with industry leaders like Ed, and that they believe it has been a big success. There’s a modular layout on display at the meet.

He also showed the Switching Tracks Traveling Box Car and asked if you’d like it to visit your layout for photos to let them know.

Finally, the next LCCA convention is in Kansas City this year. Come and enjoy the fun.

Lionel LLC—Mike Reagan and Ryan Kunkel

Mike reported that Lionel will start assembling roll stock from the acquired Weaver US tooling in May in North Carolina. The cars will retail for $50-55 each, and feature a new re-engineered truck and coupler assembly. This new assembly makes conversion to 2-Rail very easy. They’re planning to promote these cars through a new announcement sheet, 2 cars at a time, every two months. Watch for these later this summer. 

Ryan shared that we will see more of the new passenger cars. Delivery is improving. Samples of all of the new tooling is in the booth, and they, too, would deliver their new SD60E’s this summer.

 

The meeting was adjourned at 3:00pm. Errors in reporting are mine - please feel free to correct or add via replies to this thread. Thanks very much, OGR Team, for putting the program together and my thanks to all of the speakers.

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I am interested in the details behind Andy's comment about the size of the York meet.  I live in the West (Arizona) and I think the Denver meet is the only meet I have attended that came close to York in attendance and is still smaller.   What meets are in the east that are bigger, attendance wise, than York?

Rolland

After the Forum Meeting I was able to go to the Lionel booth and get more information on their program to use the scale proportioned Weaver tooling they acquired, to assemble and paint three different hoppers and a modern era boxcar. The cars will be built at Lionel's headquarters facility in Concord, NC, and this Made in USA program is called LionScale. Construction of the assembly/painting area inside the main building in Concord is well underway, and the first cars off the off the production line are scheduled for May. The cars will feature prototypical roadnames and die-cast sprung trucks,which are easily converted to 2-rail, they will also be available in several different roadnumbers for each car. The four cars are; a three bay, nine panel hopper, a three bay offset hopper, a PS2CP covered hopper and a Modern boxcar in four roadames; RailBox, BNSF, CSX and Norfolk Southern.

Ed Boyle,Partner

O Gauge Railroading magazine

RLaHaie posted:

I am interested in the details behind Andy's comment about the size of the York meet.  I live in the West (Arizona) and I think the Denver meet is the only meet I have attended that came close to York in attendance and is still smaller.   What meets are in the east that are bigger, attendance wise, than York?

Rolland

The Amherst show in West Springfield, MA, Trainfest in Milwaukee and any of the World's Greatest Hobby on Tour shows are all much bigger than York.  I'm sure there are others.

Bob posted:
RLaHaie posted:

I am interested in the details behind Andy's comment about the size of the York meet.  I live in the West (Arizona) and I think the Denver meet is the only meet I have attended that came close to York in attendance and is still smaller.   What meets are in the east that are bigger, attendance wise, than York?

Rolland

The Amherst show in West Springfield, MA, Trainfest in Milwaukee and any of the World's Greatest Hobby on Tour shows are all much bigger than York.  I'm sure there are others.

Bear in mind the TCA Eastern Div York meet is the largest of its kind in the country, reserved for members and guests dedicated primarly to collecting and operating toy trains the Big E in Springfield Ma and the Worlds Greatest Hobby On Tour Shows [lots of advertising for these and the Greenberg shows ] are dedicated to all facets of model railroading, model builders, MFGs displays [ virtualy  all of them attend these shows] railfaning and collecting and are open to and encourage the general public to attend, these are usually 2 day Sat/Sun affairs and can draw huge crowds. just saying!

Lionelbill posted:
Grampstrains posted:

Huummm.  Lionel traditional cars with plastic truck made in China list for $50.  LionScale cars are made in the USA with Diecast trucks at $50 - $55.   What's wrong with this picture?

There's been something wrong with picture for a LONG time.

I think you guys have hit the nail on the head in terms of why I've been so hard on Lionel's price increases lately -- especially the last few years.  There are lots of smoke-and-mirrors in play... and we probably wouldn't ever want to know the REAL cost of stuff coming in from China vs. the prices we're paying for it.

David

P.S.  BTW Steve, thanks for publishing this report so quickly for those of us who couldn't attend the meeting on Friday.

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Thank you for the report. It's far better than the practically nonexistent reports those of us in the hinterlands have gotten out of attendees at the past number of Yorks. It's good to hear the news.

It doesn't sound like there's a whole lot new of great interest, other than Lionel making the Weaver cars, and building them in the U.S. That's OK - there are lots of other recent developments and production that should keep most satisfied and busy for some time to come.

I finally got home from my back east adventure last night.  A total of 4 aircraft and 4 trains later it's time to get back to work!  The room had some interesting acoustics so allow me to clarify what 3rd Rail is up to right now.  The latest announcements are mostly on the website but there are certainly some items worth mentioning and repeating from Steve's report.  Reservations are closing on E8/E9s on the 29th of April.  If you are at all interested, get your reservation in!  These will be exceptional models with all the features you would expect from a 3rd Rail product.  Next up will be Alco PA's, but that is still down the road a little.  For those that ordered SD7 and SD9's these will go into production soon.  The B&O E7 Consolidation drew a lot of interest during the show so the reservation gap is getting smaller!  On the passenger car side, the Silver Meteor is still taking reservations.  A prototypically correct Empire Builder has been announced along with a separate sale great dome.  The great dome will be offered in both Great Northern and Santa Fe and each will be correct for the road they ran on.

Ed - Thanks for allowing me to participate in this great event! 

I can set the record straight as I made the comment.  The comment was an off the cuff response to how I personally being the age I am would like to see a set of Silver Meteor cars painted in Amtrak as that is an era I model.  If there was enough interest in such a set (perhaps 10 or so orders) it would get painted in the Phase I Amtrak scheme.  You are correct in stating that the specialty cars did not survive into the rebuilt heritage fleet.   

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