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Reply to "Disappointed With New Lionel Matching Passenger Train Sets"

@PGentieu posted:

1.  Look at the question the opposite way:  Should a manufacturer designate the minimum diameter for a diesel-electric based on the minimum diameter of the longest cars it would be expected to pull?  This would be a disservice to the customers who have shorter cars they want to pull with the PA or any other model locomotive that can negotiate O36 curves.  If the manufacturer accurately labels each piece of equipment, we as the customers should be able to figure out whether we can put them together or not.

2.  Sometimes what we want as customers runs smack up against the laws of physics.  Expecting Lionel or any other manufacturer to design an 85-foot passenger car to go around less than an O54 curve seems to be asking them to overcome the laws of physics.  As someone once said, you can't actually break the laws of physics - they won't break - you can only break yourself against them.  For comparison, consider that an 18" radius curve in HO is roughly equivalent to O65 in O scale.  O54 is roughly equivalent to a 15" radius in HO.  The recommended radius for 85-foot passenger cars in HO is usually 22" or greater: Note that in this example, even for 22" radius the manufacturer states: "Modeler-installed extended drawbars for 22" radius curves included."  And 22" radius curves in HO are close to O80 diameter in O.

No - but these are not stand alone items. The engines and passenger cars I am referencing are manufactured, advertised and sold as matching sets but, in reality, they are not matching because the passenger cars will not run on the same O-36 curves as the engine was designed for.

Put it another way - does anyone manufacture a twin size bed with king size dressers and end-tables ?  Or, kid-size skis with adult-size poles ?

It just makes no sense to me to sell an O-36 locomotive and mate it as a set with matching passenger cars that won't also run on O-36 curves. Why would you make an engine that will run down to an O-36 curve, but matching passenger cars that won't ? Again, it's just disappointing that I can buy a high-end loco that will run on my layout, but not the matching passenger cars that go with it.

I didn't sleep at Holiday Inn Express last night, but I have a feeling that if Lionel can find a way to make a 30" LC+2 Big Boy run on O-31 curves, then they can design an 18"-21" passenger car to satisfy the scale end of the hobby, but still negotiate O-36 curves to go with the engine they were designed to match - (or at least make a secondary matching paint passenger car set in the 14"-16" range to run on O-36 curves with the very engine they were designed to match up with).     

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