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Continuing my banana whistle adventure.

I began last night with the fix to the jammed armature.  I bought a couple of taps, drilled out the three holes 3/32 and tapped 4-40.  Fortunately only one of the three posts broke and I put it back together with epoxy.

Thanks to Jagrick for leading me to McMaster Carr.  It's an old line hardware supply firm that shipped my order on credit and I had the taps in a few days.  A really old fashioned business - how many remember the standard invoice terms of 2% 10 days, net 30 ?

Here's a photo of the result - armature now spins with a loud rattle - not perfect, but at least not jamming.

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Talked with Dr. Tinker about pin vs. screw mounting.  His take is that Lionel was doing both in 1935-36 and a 392 might have had either of them.

So the motor is running but no whistle sound.  Just a faint ghost of whistle tone as the motor starts.  Next step take the back off - you can see the four screws holding it.  Pried the back off losening the glue with my King Kut.  Only one cracked corener - you can see the one in the upper left is cracked and held only by the glue on the cardboard.

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Now that I have the back off, the impeller and armature drop right out.  So I didn't really need to take off the brush plate to service the brushes and commutator.  Brushes come right out with tweezers.

Note that the impeller is plastic.  Must have been a repair job, as is indicated by the glue holding things together.  Next I hold the whistle up to my mouth and blow .,  That produces a good steam whistle tone.  

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With no chamber obstruction, maybe it's the impeller and now I see what should have been obvious to me at the start of this.  The daimeter oft he impeller blades is 1 3/8 and that of the chamber is 1 3/4, a gap of 3/16 in the chamber - and that is why the impeller isn't generating the air pressure to blow the whistle.  Just to check, I take apart a more recent whistle and find the chamber diameter is 1 7/16.  It looks like the fellow who tried that repair must have not had a working whistle.

Does anyone have an old impeller and can check the diameter ?  Is it possible to find one, or should I tell may repair customer that if he wants a working whistle he'll have to give up on the old style and use a standard Lionel whistle ?

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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