Well I just discovered this thread, so I thought I would contribute my (very limited) Fandor "collection". Both of these cars likely date from 1910-1918 as importation stopped with WW1 and of course Fandor became Dorfan in the U.S.
Fatman - your "overstamped" gondola is a fascinating piece of (unfortunate) history so thank you for posting.
Best Wishes
Don