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Frustration: 3 hours to locate a simple short!

3 of my 9 circuit breakers (CB) was 'shorting' (they are all on the same 'booster')

Besides 'on/off' toggles 'leaving' from each CB, I, also, have toggles along the facia to turn power 'on/off' to different tracks.

In the 'past' I had a short in the Seattle's yard where a turnout was shorting due to a 'frog'.

I started by turning off toggles to all the tracks in the yard but nada.

I turned off the 'main' toggle to Seattle's yard on the old 'control board' and the short disappeared.

OK, I surmise the problem is in the Seattle's yard.

After  extension checking I could find no problems so I routed the D1 (Seattle) CB to a spare CB.

Continues on 3rd picture.

GN shorts 01

Previously, I had trouble with shorts with all these turnouts but they checked out OK.

GN shorts 01A

I connected the spare CB to D1 and all was working well so I figure the CB went 'bad'. I used alligator clips for temporary 'checks'.

One 'booster' goes to 3 blocks (D1, D6 and D9) so I needed to route the 'booster' to the spare CB for D6 and D9 but I got a 'short' again.

D6 is the St. Paul yard and this was causing the short so now I had to diagnose the St. Paul yard.

GN shorts 02

I put the wires back to the original CB for D1.

Since I route 2 wires (the bottom 2 on the left side of the CB) from D1 to D6, the D6 short was causing D1 to 'blink red' for a 'short'.

GN shorts 03

This is the main 'terminal strip' for the St. Paul yard.

I started disconnecting 'output' wires until the 'short' stopped.

GN shorts 04

This area of the St. Paul yard, now, had to be diagnosed.

I found no problems so disconnect wires leading from this area to the roundhouse.

GN shorts 05

I checked the 'lead tracks' going to the round house and all was 'good'.

GN shorts 06

I then turned off the toggles leading to the turntable and round house tracks and the round house tracks were causing the short.

GN shorts 07

After 3 hours I found out that one of the tender trucks was off the track and causing the short

After all the 'analysis' it made sense since 'logic dictated' that if I turn off the toggle to the 'affected' area, the short should have 'reset'.  I just didn't turn off enough toggles.

Also, I failed to realize that  removing the 'power' to D1 also removed power to D6.

I leave a couple tracks 'ON' for visual effects with all the LED's on the engine which was my 'down fall'!

GN shorts 08

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