Mike Wyatt posted:SO- why do we think that LC+ might be a candidate to increase model train popularity among the young, AND become a "classic"?? IMO mainly because it uses a remote, vs. sitting at a console, and the 18 volts eliminate many track issues.
Why might it NOT? The PW stuff WAS quality- still running after 65 years.
My personal experience after buying and giving TWO LC starter sets: one has been perfect after three years of Christmas tree duty, the second (also the same Pennsy Flyer LC set): the original set had to be replaced immediately after set up- several major faults- engine no sounds/ cars would not stay coupled etc.).
THEN that same family- on Christmas # 2- the set engine developed a "grinding" sound and is headed back to NC. Lionel has allowed it to be returned for service/ likely replacement. But warranty returns do NOT make up for quality lapses w/ most.
I had to buy a new LC+ Pacific to replace the set engine- you can't have a 2 year old's train set not be running for the three weeks before Christmas. So- I am out $400. This type of stuff will not "create a new generation of train hobbyists".
Why LC+ might NOT be a candidate to increase model train popularity among the young, AND become a "classic"?? Because we don't know about its long-term quality. There are many more things to go wrong: The LC engines have a more complex (and sensitive) smoke unit, electronics, and plastic parts than did the 1945- 69 stuff. Gears (plastic?), wheels (with zinc rot)? Traction tires (v.s all-steel Magnetraction?)
Every one of these features will increase dissatisfaction vs. the original product. Every replaced part, or failure drives people away.
Lionel originally WAS the most expensive, and was not "competitive". They didn't care about "realism" - the compressed scale, AC and three rail proves that. They DID care about "tough", "reliable" and capturing the magic of accessories. So- they built toy trains that cost a lot for their day, and still run- 50+ years after.
I agree, the jury is still out on LC & LC+. It will be a long time before the two can be compared to post-war, as far as longevity goes. This, coming from someone who has recently purchased two LC+ locomotives and is very happy with them.
You've hit the nail on the head about the remote. Kids today are all about electronics and stuff we older folks may not understand.
The bottom line is that older stuff was easily repairable. Newer stuff with all of the electronics is not, at least by the average hobbyist.
With care, the new stuff will last a long time. However the new stuff is aimed at kids, and depending on their care level with their toys, we will see how the new Lionel holds up.
