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Lionel 8101 Red Chicago & Alton, vs. Lionel 8801 Blue Comet? Why the hate and love?

Hey Guys,

Christmas is coming, and I am trying to pick out a 1970-ish,  decent, cast metal body, fairly inexpensive, but attractive, Lionel Steam Loco.

Like it or not, it will probably be an MPC engine.   (And yea, I know that these were not "top of the line" engines. I don't run my engines much, and I will just run it until it fails.)

In researching this, I have been looking at both the Lionel 8101, and the Lionel 8801, which (please correct me if I am wrong) are both MPCs.

What I don't understand is why people seem to hate (or perhaps distain is a better word) the Red C&A 8101, but absolutely love (to the point of cult status it seems), the 8801 Blue Comet.

Now, I KNOW that the 8101 has a tender with a terrible "chuffing" sound, and that the whistle and chuffer often short out because a piece of foam rubber under the circuit board rots away.    BUT besides that, is there really a quality and performance difference between the two engines themselves?   Do the both have the same motors?


The reason I don't care about the whistle and chuffer in the 8101 tender, is that I am not going to use them anyway.  I will disable them.   I already have a great whistle mounted under my layout which is nice and loud.

In fact, I would prefer to buy the 8101 without a tender.

So, given this, comparing engine to engine only, are there any real differences between the two.  (Aside from the fact that the Blue Comet is  a more attractive looking engine.)

Thanks for all actual experiences and factual information.

Mannyrock

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