bmoran4 posted:carsntrains posted:bmoran4 posted:carsntrains posted:bmoran4 posted:carsntrains posted:And please notice ALL! And I repeat ALL of the Lionel trains that are being sold and are not "built to order" either come with a DC power source or can run on a DC power source.
It only takes one example to disprove your assertion of "ALL" - a quick scour over the 2019 Big Book Has many examples:
- DC operation excludes command operation and therefore features are given up and inaccessible. This is big and it is a shame Lionel doesn't make this very clear.
- pg 48 - Motorized units - They operate in Conventional or Command mode. Since TMCC/Legacy don't work with DC, and Lionel only offers fixed voltage DC supplies on pg 200, there is no Lionel supported way to operate them on DC.
- pg 126 - Lionel FA Set, as with this is conventional only, and Lionel only offers fixed voltage DC supplies on pg 200, there again is no Lionel supported way to operate them on DC.
- pg 157 hand car - same story
- pg 186, the rotary beacon is specifically AC only
- pg 201, 203 - the command and LCS components operate exclusively on AC power
Now, admittedly in certain cases I am being extremely pedantic, and there is a possibility that the trolley controller on pg 158 will become available as a separate sale item and that will allow for conventional DC control, but that remains to be seen.
Bottom line, not everything in the latest catalog (BTO exclusion or not) is DC compatible or is fully functional on DC.
TRAINS! Not hand cars or speeders. Ryan said himself the only reason they do not have LC type control is the boards won't fit in them! : )
And not accessories lol WOW that is really reaching. So Lionel sells their train sets with DC power packs and sell a 72 watt for expansion but they don't support running trains on DC? WOW is all I can say. Amazing. One special set is a maybe.........
Jim
I challenge you to find something that is not FULLY functional on AC. Recall, DC is exclusive of command control where the full feature sets lie.
I challenge you to find something thats LC, LC+, and or LC+2.0 that isnt fully functional on DC! And of a Legacy engine that isnt built to order!
Real trains used to be powered by wood, coal, or oil making steam. At one point nearly all of them did. Model trains are making that same switch but not from coal, but to DC from antiquated AC transformers. : )
Jim : )
- I doubt the majority of hobbyist here are ready to give up on command control in its current forms.
- Lionel is doing a disservice to newcomers by adding to the power supply confusion, especially ones that are not fully backwards or forwards compatible.
- At no point did I disagree that LC, LC+ and LC+2.0 could operate FULLY on DC, but there are items that do not operate FULLY on DC including anything command control. Stating that ALL trains run on DC is missing the nuances that shouldn't and wouldn't exist when adhering to the AC standard.
- AC vs DC battles are nothing new and is not analogous to coal/wood/oil etc... The AC/DC battle goes back to Edison & Tesla. In fact, DC systems predate AC.
Bottom line, scoped to the current catalog or over a century of 3 rail o gauge railroading, AC compatability vastly outnumbers DC compatability. Extremely narrowly scoped to LC, LC+, and LC+2.0, AC and DC compatability is equal.
Im just waiting for @Dave Olson to answer my question. : ) Thanks for chatting with me !!! They needed you to save the phone book when Google stole their glory! LOL
Jim
