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Reply to "Lionel Hudson Engines - large or small?"

Allin posted:

I wonder where the Lionchief Plus Hudsons fall? I have heard the post war semi-scale Hudsons called Santa Fe Hudsons.

The Lion Chief Plus line has one Hudson, and one Pacific that should be a Hudson. Both are based on postwar engines. Neither is scale.

The Hudson is based on the 646 / 2046, which has a vaguely NYC outline. It shared its boiler casting with the 736 Berkshire, which was in turn derived from the prewar 226E "almost Hudson," 2-6-4. This boiler is the basis for the command-equipped Hudsons on the top and bottom shelves in the picture posted above by Ed H., and for the new Lion Chief Plus Berkshires also.

The "Pacific" is based on the 665 / 2055. This was the Santa Fe Hudson, and it is very obviously modeled after the AT&SF 3460 class Hudsons. The model is just a bit smaller than the 646 NYC type. The Santa Fe Hudson is easily identified by the long, pointed pilot, and the vertical air compressor shroud on only one side of the pilot beam.

Irritatingly, Lionel chose  the NYC casting for its "Santa Fe" Lion Chief engine (twice! a Hudson and a now a Berk, too), while using the Santa Fe Hudson tooling for any and every road except the Santa Fe.

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