Robert, not speaking for Dave, but I can tell you that these cars did not come out yet. I did place an order for a two pack of them with a major dealer. I would have received a notice that they were in and to pay for them if they had reached the store by now. I don't know the Lionel shipping schedule but usually an item is not automatically due out before the next catalog comes out. The manufacturer in Asia may have other companies items or other items from Lionel to run first before they get to these cars so there really is no way to predict exactly when they will ship to the US and then to dealers. I would try to look up the Lionel shipping schedule if they have one. I don't worry about it. I figure they will get here when they get here but since you placed a pre-order then you should be guaranteed to get what you ordered.