@breezinup posted:Just for your information, in the case of Lionel "traditional" GP engines, by the terminology "not considered scale," it means that they don't have some additional detail parts added on, or more realistic handrails, some things like that. However, the Lionel traditional GP engines are scale in physical size, so they match up size-wise just fine with "scale" GP engines.
@IRON HORSE posted:Good info. Thanks for pointing that out. So I guess there is "scale" and then there is "scale size". Are there argument points, then, in what is "scale", based on the amount of detail? Or is that defined by each manufacturer? Aren't all Premier engines, for example, considered "scale" engines in both size and detail? And then what Lionel line is always "scale", Legacy -- or not always?
I believe under examination that one will find the detail on the Lionel GP, which is based on Postwar tooling, is not as refined as the MTH GP.
The cab, for one example on the Lionel GP, is too long to allow the old P/W AC motors to fit.
Interestingly enough, back in the 80's there was a fella who offered a new cast aluminum underframe designed to use the Atlas F9 drive mechanism to "scalify" the Lionel Postwar/MPC GP. Attaching the pilots, couplers, wire handrails and further detailing was left to the individual modeler.
Rusty
