IMO, part of the problem with much of the WBB stuff is the MSRP. I've bought several of their engines from Trainworld, sometimes at York and sometimes online. and been very happy with them. Getting a conventional diesel for around $150 or a steamer for +/- $250 is a great deal for a runner, especially for taking to train shows. When they announce MSRP that's 75% of a Lionel or MTH engine (with more detail and command control), it kills the interest.