Nick Chillianis posted:bigkid posted:Actually,even 10-15 mph is pretty fast, I have ridden into that station many times over the years, and trains generally go in there very slow, there are a lot of trains coming in at rush hour, so even 10-15 MPH sounds very high, I would guess 5mph is more likely for the trains I have been on. I am sure they have recorders on the engine that will indicate the real speed he was going.
There is no way that 10 - 15 MPH can be categorized as "Full Speed", if we still have an English language with any meaning whatsoever.
Actually if the maximum permitted speed within the terminal / station trackage is 10 or 15 mph and the train was doing that speed then it can be construed as "full (permissible) speed" for that section of trackage. I don't know the exact maximum speed permitted by NJ Transit within Hoboken's station trackage but 10 mph is probably about right based on my recollections of riding in/out of Hoboken a few years back. I'm sure it is considered yard limits and engineers should be ready to stop at any time in case of an obstruction while coming in or going out.
Also, where the train crashed there is no signal at the very end of track as the last signal had already been passed at the terminal throat prior to entering the trainshed / platform area. I'm not sure if PTC had been in place if it would have covered stub end station trackage all the way up to the bumping post. I'm sure all this will be discussed in time so I'm just going to sit back and wait for the official information on this crash.
