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overlandflyer posted:

i've been dwelling on the other part of that Champion ad for a few days now...

unknown Champion locomotivejpg
the cars & tender, no problem... but what is the locomotive?

0010 unk loco
it seems to show evidence as being derived from other known Flyer CI locos of the early 30's...

Flyer Type XVI 1b
aside from the feedwater heater, the top features & pilot match clockwork Type XVI.

Flyer Type XVII 2b
although the piping & the length stated as 7ΒΌ" (really 7" as noted in the Schuweiler text) is closer to the larger Type XVII.

Conquerer loco
but the Type XVII was changed to an electric type.

Conquerer ad loco
that is the one in the previous ad i posted.  aside from the casting changes made to accommodate the electric motor and later the gears, the pilot was changed to fit in a working headlight.

but the last cast iron electric shown in the Schuweiler text is Type VII.  from that point on, Flyer only made sheet metal and die cast locomotives.  of course the ad does not specifically mention cast iron, but the wording of "Features heavy ... locomotive with black Japan finish, ...", to me indicates cast iron.

has anyone seen this locomotive?

I suspect that the Type XVII that you are showing is the engine that came with the set in the advertisement.  The artwork may not match exactly, but it is very close to the Type XVII engine.  

For instance, the artwork does not show any brushes / brush tubes, yet Flyer cast iron engines of this era had the brushes / brush tubes on the side shown in the ad.  

You should not expect that the advertisement artwork match all the details exactly.  These were toys. 

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