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Reply to "TVS and Fast Acting Circuit Breaker help"

@Trestleman1 posted:

Mark, I'd still like someone to explain exactly what happens electrically during a derailment/short circuit. Why do you get high voltage knocking out a TVS sometimes and high amperage other times or do you get both problems at once. Any explanation would be helpful. Don

Hi Don:

(Disclaimer -- I respond at risk of sounding rather condescending, which is absolutely not my intent.  You can also do a great deal of reading on the forum and elsewhere more information on these electrical subjects).  To 'generally' answer your question:

Shorts are an issue of current flow.  When a derailment occurs, you are directly connecting the 'hot' and 'return' of your AC power supply.  That in turn creates a condition where there is no load / resistance to impede or regulate current flow (amps) in the system.  This condition 'theoretically' demands infinite current at the ~18VAC from your power supply, which it of course cannot deliver.  At the moment of shorting, your PSX current breaker, wired in-line with your AC power supply, trips near-instantly, disconnecting the circuit and preventing your supply from melting down.  This entire sequence happens in less than a blink of an eye after the short condition occurs.

Voltage spikes (or 'voltage transients') are abnormal 'bursts' of volts beyond the designed supply voltage of a circuit.  They do not require a short condition to occur, but will happen often (if not always) when a short condition occurs.  Spikes obviously result from lightning strikes, but can occur whenever there is a electrical disturbance, (failed devices, components, shorts elsewhere, etc).  Voltage spikes are not (strictly-speaking) high-current events, and thus will not blow fuses or circuit breakers unless there is a coinciding high current condition, (which is often the case).  The TVS (transient-voltage-suppression) diode is connectedacross the 'hot' and 'return' of the AC power into the protected load, (as opposed to in-line, as with fuses and circuit-breakers).  When a voltage spike occurs, the TVS absorbs it, preventing the load from seeing that transient voltage and blowing it up.

Now is where GRJ and Mark's responses fit in perfectly. A derailment is first a short condition, but it also generates voltage transients.  The mix and magnitude of each during a derailment is as diverse as the stars in the heavens; you can never really lock down the exact details of each event.  That is why, ideally, we use circuit-breakers in-line right after the AC power supply to protect against shorts and high current conditions, and TVS diodes across the loads (track and / or locomotives) to protect them against voltage spikes.  GRJ (and others) have pushed this ad nauseam on the forum.

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